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Coronavirus

 
 
tsarstepan
 
  1  
Sat 28 Mar, 2020 01:37 pm
@engineer,
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engineer
 
  3  
Sun 29 Mar, 2020 06:42 am
Spreading to rural communities...

Quote:
The governor of Kansas also issued a stay-at-home order to begin Monday, as the virus takes hold in more rural areas where doctors worry about the lack of ICU beds.

A cluster of three counties in rural Indiana have surging rates of confirmed cases. One of them, Decatur, population 26,000, has 30 cases with one confirmed death and another suspected, said Sean Durbin, the county’s public health emergency preparedness coordinator. Several cases were traced to large gatherings earlier in the month, including a religious retreat and a high school basketball tournament.

The disease threatens to be devastating for close-knit communities where everyone knows everyone, Durbin said, adding that he was a friend of the person believed to have died from the virus as well as others currently in critical condition.

The county health department has already run out of personal protective equipment, Durbin said. The last supply from the federal stockpile arrived more than a week ago and contained just 77 N95 masks and two dozen face shields.

“I wish there was a stronger word for disappointed,” he said. “I’m calling on them to do better.”

Blaine County, Idaho, a scenic ski haven for wealthy tourists, now has around 100 confirmed cases of COVID-19, the highest rate per capita outside the New York area. Two people have died.
oralloy
 
  1  
Sun 29 Mar, 2020 08:10 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
Spreading to rural communities...

I'm not opening my door until I run out of food. And I still have a lot of food.

And when that day does come, I'll be wearing a N95 mask when I go out.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Sun 29 Mar, 2020 11:23 am
I appreciate Dr. Fauci each day.

Been on the federal scene since Mr. Reagan, now he's on youtube with Lilly Singh getting the word out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-anthony-fauci-closes-distance-social-media-generation-n1171371

Quote:
The doctor's time spent spreading the word on social media was wise, USC's Craig said. With a combined audience of more than four billion, YouTube and Facebook alone reach more than half the world's population.

"When we’re talking about the scale and breadth and diversity, they mirror half of the human race," he said. "I’m just grateful Fauci agreed to YouTube’s efforts."
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ehBeth
 
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Sun 29 Mar, 2020 11:31 am
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-anthony-fauci-cdcs-14-day-travel-advisory-will-ultimately-will-help-stop-the-virus

editing's a bit off but the message is there

Quote:
Fauci said on Sunday that the task force has had "very intensive discussions" at the White House with the president this weekend.

“As you know, the original proposal was to consider seriously an enforceable quarantine," he said. "After discussions with the president, we made it clear, and he agreed, that it would be better to do what’s called a strong advisory.”


Quote:
New York is now the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States, with more than 52,000 positive tests for the illness and more than 700 deaths. About 7,300 people were in New York hospitals Saturday, including about 1,800 in intensive care.


freakish numbers. the proportion of people in ICU ... oof


Quote:
He noted that the administration will not be pulling back measures on the hot spots including New York.

“When we start to see a daily number of cases instead of increasing and escalating, they start to flatten out, turn the corner and then start coming down, when we see that, then you can start doing the modification of the intensity of your mitigation,” Fauci said.

“The virus itself determines that timetable,” he added.

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ehBeth
 
  1  
Sun 29 Mar, 2020 11:33 am
@engineer,


less than a month ago

feels like we're looking through binoculars the wrong way round, with everything (esp time) very distorted
Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 12:49 am
@ehBeth,
Italy seems to have moved pass the bulge. The caseload numbers given daily by the Guardia Civile at 18:00 is now reducing. We're not in the clear yet but getting there.
roger
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 01:21 am
@Olivier5,
Sure hope so. Also hope the rest of us don't have to climb a similar hill to get where Italy is hopefully done with.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 01:33 am
@roger,
As I said two weeks ago here: you wish your health system stands up to the crisis the way the Italian system withstood it.

France is getting into the hardest part right now. They are 10 days behind Italy, curb-wise. But confinement is not as hard there as it is here (Rome) and Macron made the mistake of not postponing an election, so France will probably take longer to heal than Italy. My guess only.

The US is what, 20 days behind Italy or so? So you should see the full scale of this in two weeks.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2020 01:53 am
@roger,
roger wrote:
Also hope the rest of us don't have to climb a similar hill to get where Italy is hopefully done with.

There is no point in hoping to avoid it. We're not going to avoid it. We're going right up that hill, and we're going up it right now. April and May are going to be extremely bad. So stay inside and stay safe.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 02:08 am
@oralloy,
For once I agree with you. I hate to say this but the hill the US is climbing actually looks far higher to me than the one Italy is now hoping to climb down from.
tsarstepan
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:56 am
@Olivier5,

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engineer
 
  3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 07:19 am
Just an aside, I've been very impressed with how the factory I work at has responded. They've rolled out detailed plans, they have fancy temperature sensors at the doors like in airports where you stand on the footprints and an IR camera measures your temperature from five feet away in a second or two, there are hand sanitizer stations everywhere. I spoke with the guy who bought all that stuff and the company has had it for over ten years. They bought it for the last pandemic warning. The fancy temperature sensing cameras were $8K in 2010, probably cheaper today. It amazes me that governments around the world are far less prepared given the minimal investment required.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2020 10:13 am
812 deaths recorded today in Italy. This beast is not slowing down yet but at least it's not accelerating any more.

http://i2.res.24o.it/images2010/2020/03/ADVelxG/images/443978d6-728e-11ea-8f84-a738943cb0a3-fotohome1.jpg
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engineer
 
  3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 11:47 am
Nice article on Vox.com about lessons to learn from Italy.

Quote:
We have to get over our pre-existing biases
First and foremost, the US has to recognize the seriousness of the situation. A couple of weeks ago, it was common to see private citizens and government officials skeptical of the Covid-19 threat pointing to low fatality numbers and asking why there was panic, given how many people die of the seasonal flu every year.

But they were already dealing in the past. The coronavirus spreads stealthily, with those who contract it not showing symptoms for days, and the full gravity of their illness not becoming clear until a week or two after infection. This means that back when skeptical perspectives were still common, the seeds had been planted for the explosion in US cases and deaths seen in the last few days.

We can’t take half measures to combat the coronavirus
Italy started small with its coronavirus containment and only expanded it as the scale of the problem revealed itself. The country started with a targeted strategy: certain areas with a lot of infections were designated as “red zones.” Within the red zones, there were progressive lockdowns depending on the severity of the outbreak in the area. The restrictions were only broadened to the whole country when these measures did not stop the virus’s spread.

In fact, these limited lockdowns might have made it worse. Because the coronavirus transmits so silently, the “facts on the ground” (number of cases, deaths, etc.) didn’t actually capture the full scale of the problem. Once partial lockdowns went into effect, people fled to less restricted parts of the country — and they may have unwittingly taken the virus with them.

We have to learn from successful containment strategies
You might wonder why the Harvard experts looked at Italy instead of South Korea or Taiwan, places that successfully managed the coronavirus threat from the start. One reason was that the US and many European countries had already lost the opportunity for those containment strategies by the time they began more aggressive measures, given the slow response to the outbreak at first. This makes Italy a much closer comparison to what the US is living through than those Asian countries — or even China — where the growth in reported cases has slowed to a crawl.

But there are strategies that have worked for the Italians, and the US can borrow them. The experiences of Lombardy and Veneto, two neighboring Italian regions that took two different strategies for their coronavirus response and saw two different results, are instructive. Lombardy has 10 million people, and it’s endured 35,000 Covid-19 cases and about 5,000 deaths; Veneto is home to 5 million people, but it’s seen just 7,000 cases and less than 300 deaths, its outbreak a fraction the size of its neighbor’s.

This is what Veneto did to successfully control the outbreak within its borders:

- Extensive testing: both people with symptoms and people who were asymptomatic were tested whenever possible
- Proactive tracing: if somebody tested positive, everybody they live with was tested or, if tests weren’t available, they were required to self-quarantine
- Emphasis on home diagnosis and care: Health care providers would actually go to the homes of people with suspected Covid-19 cases to collect samples so they could be tested, keeping them from being exposed or exposing other people by visiting a hospital or doctor’s office
- Monitoring of medical personnel and other vulnerable workers: doctors, nurses, caregivers at nursing homes, even grocery store cashiers and pharmacists, were monitored closely for possible infection and given ample protective gear to limit exposure.
Lombardy, on the other hand, was much less aggressive on all of those fronts: testing, proactive tracing, home care, and monitoring workers. Hospitals there were overwhelmed, while Veneto’s have been comparatively spared.

And yet it took weeks upon weeks for Lombardy to adopt the same strategies that were already working next door in Veneto:

We have to be ready for the long haul
The Harvard researchers also single out the importance of good data — the raw numbers themselves — which were lacking in the early days of Italy’s outbreak. These figures should focus on the important metrics like tests conducted and hospitalizations. Some questions have already been raised about whether the US is undercounting its fatality numbers, per this BuzzFeed report, and vigilance is warranted about the official numbers coming from an administration known for its obfuscation of the truth.

What those numbers say, and what policies they suggest might be most effective at mitigating the outbreak, is largely a concern for policymakers, journalists, and medical professionals. But it is important everyone sees those numbers to help underscore the authors’ concluding point, which seems essential for the public to understand:

An effective approach towards Covid-19 will require a war-like mobilization — both in terms of the entity of human and economic resources that will need to be deployed as well as the extreme coordination that will be required across different parts of the health care system (testing facilities, hospitals, primary care physicians, etc.), between different entities in both the public and the private sector, and society at large.

Together, the need for immediate action and for massive mobilization imply that an effective response to this crisis will require a decision-making approach that is far from business as usual.


BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:04 pm
@engineer,
The US with a population of roughly 450 millions an a death total in the thousands with one hell of a lot of diseases that had done worst including an average flu year let alone such flu years as 1918 where the death total with a hell of a smaller population was in the millions.


Quote:
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in the U.S. - STATwww.statnews.com › 2018/09/26 › cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years. By Associated Press. September 26, 2018. Flu vaccine vials Vials of flu vaccine ...
oralloy
 
  3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:09 pm
@BillRM,
The US is looking at a death toll in the hundreds of thousands here.

The only real question is how many hundred thousand it is going to be.

And these deaths will be on top of all the flu deaths that will still be occurring.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:14 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The US is looking at a death toll in the hundreds of thousands here.


Those predictions was pull out of the sky an if it get to an average flu year death total I will be surprise an the flu deaths total can be in any given year be in the 100s of thousands.
oralloy
 
  2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:18 pm
@BillRM,
No. Those numbers come from public health experts:
https://able2know.org/topic/546079-5#post-6979668

When was the last time the flu killed hundreds of thousands in the US? 1918?
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ehBeth
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:13 pm
@Olivier5,
I certainly hope so. Every country that starts to flatten the curve is encouragement for the rest of us.

I hope more people everywhere are getting the message to self-isolate/social distance.
 

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