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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 02:14 pm
@Sturgis,
Don't jinx it! Laughing
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Tue 19 May, 2020 04:04 pm
@Sturgis,
Maybe, but this time he's not playing for money or taking someones pride. You know, the kind of thing that motivates everybody, just kidding, it only motivates the people who believe such things are important.

Now I'll wait for living lava to drop by and explain why I should never post anything until I run it past her majesty.
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 06:32 pm
if this has been posted - ignore it Smile

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200414_CovidweeklydeathsUSv2.jpg

Quote:
The chart shows deaths per capita to allow for comparison of data from different years. Deaths are shown from:

Covid-19, starting from February 17. (Covid Tracking Project)

The 2017-18 flu season: This was the deadliest recent flu season. The chart shows one line for deaths attributed directly to flu, and another for deaths attributed to either flu or pneumonia. The smaller line is an undercount of flu-caused deaths, the larger is an overcount, with the real number lying somewhere in between. (More on this below.) The data begin on October 1, 2017, which the CDC considered the first week of that flu season. (CDC)

Heart disease and cancer: The first and second leading causes of death in the United States. The chart shows total 2017 deaths averaged per week. (CDC)
Car crashes: Weekly deaths beginning from January 1, 2018. (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)

1957-58 Asian flu pandemic: Weekly influenza and pneumonia deaths beginning from August 24, 1957. These data come from a contemporary CDC program that surveilled 108 American cities with a total population of about 50 million people. We have used that figure, rather than the total U.S. population at the time, to calculate deaths per million. (CDC)


if not, it's worth a look (or more, for the updates)
ehBeth
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 06:33 pm
@ehBeth,
from the same link

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The Deaths in Context

Even with the limits of the available data, we can still draw some reasonable conclusions about how Covid-19 compares to other causes of death — and about what these comparisons often miss:

Different time scales: We are still early in this pandemic. It has only been a few weeks since the first reported U.S. deaths. Comparing these deaths to, say, an entire year of deaths from car crashes or influenza is not meaningful.

A spike: Perhaps the most noticeable feature of both graphs is the Covid-19 spike — the rapid growth in deaths since the pandemic began. Car crashes, by contrast, show little variation week to week. And even compared to past flu seasons or pandemics, the rate of increase in Covid-19 deaths is markedly faster.

The number of new deaths reported in the U.S. in the week beginning March 16 was 678 percent higher than the previous week. In New York State, the number grew thirty-six-fold the same week. By comparison, the worst one-week increase in new flu and pneumonia deaths during the 2017-18 flu season was 26 percent, and during the 1957-58 Asian flu was 48 percent. Although the growth in Covid-19 deaths is now slowing, the number of new deaths for the week ending on April 5 was still more than double that of the week before.

A leading cause of death in the United States: Several weeks ago, coronavirus deaths were few in comparison with other causes. But last week, reported U.S. Covid-19 deaths were just shy of the normal rate from heart disease, usually the leading cause of death.

More than all typical deaths in New York: Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death — in fact, 76 percent more than the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.

In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 445 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 3,481 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the “dying with but not of” line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.

Any serious attempt to put coronavirus deaths in context by comparing it to some other cause of death in a previous year must acknowledge the marked differences in the Covid-19 trend — most notably, the rapid spike in deaths that is still underway, and the wide range of uncertainty about when it will peak, how high it will peak, and whether it will peak only once. As long as the pandemic is rapidly spreading, these comparisons will be fraught.

Perhaps a better way to state the danger posed by the coronavirus is just that we cannot easily compare it to any precedent in recent history. Nor do we need to dispute projections about future deaths to recognize what has happened already. Amid the statistical noise is a powerful signal. The question is whether we choose to see it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 07:06 pm
@ehBeth,
Thank you!!!! This stuff is just plain not the flu. It is something deadlier than anything in our lifetime.
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maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 07:50 pm
@ehBeth,
Let's keep this up to date.... same source as EhBeth, later date.

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200518_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughMay17.jpg
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 07:54 pm
@maxdancona,
Thats the first wave, max, give it two weeks.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 07:55 pm
We shouldn't underestimate the seriousness of covid-19.

But we shouldn't exaggerate the risk either. The truth is often between the two extremes.

Given the rate of heart disease, particularly if you are a middle-aged man, diet and exercise are probably as important to your health as wearing a face mask.

bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 07:56 pm

Coronavirus Cases Force Reopened Catholic Church In Texas To Backtrack
Houston’s Holy Ghost Parish has suspended Masses after the death of one priest and the confirmation that five others have COVID-19.
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By Carol Kuruvilla

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/church-coronavirus-reopen-texas-georgia_n_5ec3fbc5c5b63814cd6bec63

A Roman Catholic church in Texas has indefinitely suspended public Masses after the death of one elderly priest and the COVID-19 diagnoses of five others.

Rev. Donnell Kirchner, a 79-year-old priest from Houston’s Holy Ghost Church, died on May 13 after being diagnosed with pneumonia, the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston confirmed in a statement Monday. The archdiocese said it was unclear whether Kirchner was tested for COVID-19. Holy Ghost Church’s website says there is a possibility that the priest contracted the virus before he died.

Five members of Kirchner’s religious order, the Redemptorists, tested positive for the illness over the weekend, the archdiocese said.

Two of the priests who tested positive have been helping to lead public Masses at Holy Ghost Church since the parish reopened on May 2. As of Monday, all five priests were asymptomatic and were quarantining with other members of the religious order at their shared residence.

In light of these new developments, the church canceled all Masses until further notice and is encouraging anyone who attended its in-person Masses to get tested for COVID-19.

The archdiocese said the parish has “followed cleaning, sanitation and social distancing guidelines prescribed by State health officials” and that attendance has been “closely controlled. The parish has a seating capacity of about 900, but Sunday Masses have not exceeded 179 people since May 2,” the archdiocese said.

Cardinal Daniel DiNardo gave parishes in the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston permission to open on May 2, 2020.

On May 1, Texas became one of the first U.S. states to lift parts of its stay-at-home order. Although the state has issued some minimum recommended protocols, churches and other houses of worship have been exempt from Gov. Greg Abbott’s limits on social gatherings.

The Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston announced on April 29 that its parishes could reopen at 25% capacity starting on May 2 while encouraging the use of masks, social distancing and sanitizing commonly used surfaces. Each parish was instructed to “choose if they wish to celebrate Mass, and how to comply with state guidelines,” according to the archdiocese.

Cardinal Daniel DiNardo also gave his approval for churches to begin offering the Sacrament of Confession again.

In mid-March, DiNardo dispensed, or exempted, Catholics in his archdiocese from the religious obligation to attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days. The dispensation is still in effect, but DiNardo wrote in an April 29 letter that it’s important for worshippers to have access to the Eucharist and Confession.

“I have heard the continued pleas of so many of the faithful and priests for access to the spiritual strength and nourishment of the sacraments after enduring so many weeks of stay-at-home orders,” DiNardo wrote in a letter to parishioners. “Therefore, I believe the time has arrived to look forward to how this local church can cautiously resume some of its essential activities.”

According to the Texas Catholic Herald, the archdiocese’s newspaper, “hundreds” of parishioners attended large suburban churches during the first weekend in May. Attendance at smaller, inner-city churches was 40 or less.

Meanwhile, Abbott announced a new slate of openings on Monday, including child care centers and bars, along with increased capacity at restaurants. Days earlier, Texas reported 1,801 cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest single-day increase. Abbott attributed the spike to increased testing.

The Harris County Public Health Department directed HuffPost to the City of Houston for comment. The Houston Health Department said it doesn’t identify locations associated with infectious disease investigations and declined to say whether a secular gathering similar to Holy Ghost Church’s services would meet the city’s coronavirus guidelines.

U.S. houses of worship have been linked to several clusters of coronavirus cases since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. On Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tweeted a reminder that COVID-19 spreads easily in group gatherings, including at houses of worship.

The CDC pointed to cases that emerged in rural Arkansas in early March, when 35 worshippers were infected with COVID-19 after two symptomatic people attended church events. Three parishioners died and an additional 26 cases linked to the church spread into the community.

After 2 people with #COVID19 attended church gatherings in Arkansas in early March, 35 attendees acquired the disease. Follow CDC guidelines & consult with local public health officials when resuming in-person operations. Learn more from @CDCMMWR: https://t.co/UebsNldIRR. pic.twitter.com/ib4fRxUXJD
— CDC (@CDCgov) May 19, 2020

In Georgia, where churches are exempt from Gov. Brian Kemp’s stay-at-home-order, three cases of COVID-19 were linked to Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, according to ABC affiliate WTVC. The church has since suspended in-person meetings.

Health officials in Butte County, California, suspect that over 180 people may have been exposed to COVID-19 at a May 10 religious service that was held in defiance of the state’s ban on religious gatherings. The health department, which has not identified the house of worship involved, is now working to make sure all individuals who attended the service are tested.

The house of worship’s decision to open “comes at a cost of many hours and a financial burden to respond effectively to slow or stop the spread of COVID-19,” Butte County’s health department said in a statement.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 07:59 pm
@maxdancona,
We've just opened parts of Texas and now Amarillo added 600 new cases just last week.

They opened a Church in Houston two weeks ago and, well look at the article above.

This is not over by a long shot.
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maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 08:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Thats the first wave, max, give it two weeks.


Maybe, you are right. I hope you are wrong.

The numbers do suggest that the curve flattens itself, even in countries like Sweden that are not in full lockdown. Georgia has been in liberal blogs for weeks, and yet the predicted wave there hasn't materialized yet.

The point is that facts are facts. The facts support taking this seriously. The facts also indicate that things aren't as bad as some predictions said they would be. As in most cases in modern day US people are jumping to either extreme.

If the second wave never comes, it will mean that you were wrong. I hope you will still be happy about that. I have no problem admitting that I have no way of telling the future.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 08:14 pm
Quote:
I hope you will be happy about that.


Seriously, Max? Where did that come from?

I hope Trump is right, but he's been spectacularly wrong. I pray for the best being prepared for the worst, I would not wish this crap on anyone. I am dying of cancer and I would love for this Covid19 to disappear magically, but its not going to and there is no scientific reason for it. I would not wish death on anyone for any reason. My goal is to see trump turned out and I will be happy for that.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 08:24 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
I would love for this Covid19 to disappear magically, but its not going to and there is no scientific reason for it.


1. Trump has said things that are right. So has Obama, and Clinton and Fox News. Whether Trump says them or not is irrelevant. Facts are facts no matter whose side they support. That is my main point on thread after thread.

2. I don't know what you mean by "disappear magically".

3. Epidemics can end on their own after have run their course. Sometimes in nature this happens, some times it doesn't This isn't "magic", it is natural science.

4. I can't promise you that this will happen any more than you can promise that it won't. Neither of us can predict the future. Actually in this case the scientific experts (if you listen what they are actually saying rather than what you think they should say) are showing quite a bit of uncertainty on what course this epidemic will take.

5. I respect scientific expertise. I resist extremes... especially ideological extremes.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 08:38 pm
@maxdancona,
Max, its not going to get better. Trump said this would disapeare on its own in April, he even used the words "like magic".

What has fundamentally changed to make it get better? Actually the things like quarantine that did make it better than it could have been are being prematurely ended. We are headed for a rebound, just like what happened in the 1918 Flu Pandemic.

I hope I'm wrong but I believe in science and palying it both ways is not going to help things.

We'll be at 100,000 deaths this weekend. five months earlier than Trump said we would. He said a worse case scenario was 100,000 deaths. I am afraid even slowing this thing to half the rate it is now will will still have us at 200,000 by October and there is no reason to believe other wise.

Pray for the best and plan for the worst, Max. I will be very happy if Covid doesn't take me first. But I will wear a mask, I will stay in quarantine and I will do my best to survive.


maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 08:54 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I am glad you have a crystal ball. The scientific experts aren't talking with any certainty. I have been reading a large range of epidemiology articles from respected experts. They agree on social distancing... but without social distancing their predictions are all over the place.

1. What do you mean by "it's not going to get better". Do you mean it's never going to get better?

2. I don't know what you mean when you say you "believe in science". Scientists aren't making any certain predictions. You are going quite a bit further than responsible scientists. Scientists are saying that staying in quarantine and keeping social distance is the best way to protect yourself and others. They are not that clear on the benefits of mask wearing, but so be it.

3. The data show it is getting better. The new infection rate and death rates in the US are going down now (as EhBeth's charts have shown). The rate of new infections and deaths is also going down in Sweden. And they are staying low in Georgia. The weird thing about the data is that countries and regions that are not in lockdown aren't having the relative catastrophes that people were predicting.

I don't know what it means. But, it is interesting that it isn't following the pattern I would expect.

4. I agree with you that we should hope for the best and plan for the worst.

5. I don't trust your crystal ball any more than I trusted Trump's.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:02 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
I am glad you have a crystal ball.


Whats with all the nasty personal animus???? You're using a crystal ball as much if not a whole lot more!

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/timeline-what-covid-19-outbreak-could-look-like-in-3-months-6-months-1-year

COVID-19 Timeline: What Outbreak Could Look Like in 3 Months, 6 Months, 1 Year
Experts say you can expect the COVID-19 pandemic to linger for at least a year, with social distancing protocols and empty store shelves occurring along with waves of infections. Getty Images

Numerous reports and computer modeling indicates that we’ll see multiple waves of the COVID-19 pandemic over the coming months.

Self-isolation won’t stop the disease, but it will reduce strain on medical resources, allowing doctors to save more lives.

Scientists and doctors around the world are working on a vaccine, but it’s likely more than a year away.

We’ll have to get used to social distancing over the next 1 to 2 years.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 outbreak.

The COVID-19 pandemic has prompted a response unlike anything in memory.

Nonessential businesses, educational institutions, and any form of large-scale gathering have all been shuttered across the United States until further notice.

Millions of Americans are practicing self-isolation and social distancing in an effort to slow the spread of the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

For some, it may be difficult to believe it’s only been a couple of weeks.

While several weeks of aggressive measures should slow transmission and give medical personnel a fighting chance, Americans should be braced for many more months of COVID-19 precautions, according to a federal government response plan.

The 100-page document, shared with The New York Times, paints a sobering picture of what the next year — or more — could look like.

While the plan’s authors acknowledge that it’s difficult to predict specifics “with such a fast-moving pandemic,” it states that we’re likely in for “multiple waves of illness” in the coming months.

The findings mirror similar reports, including one dated March 17 from Imperial College London, along with the opinions of doctors working on the front lines.

“We are at the beginning of what will likely be multiple rolling waves of the pandemic with an unclear timeline that could play out over the next 1 to 2 years, chiefly based on our ability to mitigate the spread of the virus,” Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, told Healthline.
What should we brace for?

There’s been much talk of “flattening the curve.”

This is the principle that by slowing the spread of disease, we can avoid infections spiking and overwhelming the country’s medical system.

While this is the best strategy we have in the early days of the pandemic, experts say it’s important to point out this won’t beat COVID-19. It’ll merely slow it down.

“One of the downsides of flattening the curve is that, while you save lives, reduce the burden, and the overwhelming of hospitals, you extend the period of infections,” Dr. Eric Christopher Cioe-Pena, director of global health for Northwell Health in New Hyde Park, New York, explained to Healthline.

“As we reduce infections with social distancing, we are going to see one of two models play out: multiple spikes in cases throughout the next 18-month period until we are able to roll out a vaccine, each resulting in the need for strict social distancing and isolation of sick cases at home; or we are going to see a longer, more prolonged and steady stream of cases,” Cioe-Pena said. “The steady stream ideally will not overwhelm hospitals, but it will result in the same overall number of cases, just over a longer period of time.”

Cioe-Pena says this longer period of time will likely be 12 to 18 months.

For anyone holding out hope that they’ll be able to go to a baseball game or family event in the next few weeks, it seems unlikely.

Modeling used in the Imperial College London report indicates that social distancing protocols will need to last for months, not weeks, to be effective.

“The idea that we could do this for 2 weeks and then go back to normal basically pushes the big spike in cases back by 2 weeks but won’t be enough to stop the excess deaths and overwhelming of hospitals, according to this model,” Cioe-Pena said.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:08 pm
@maxdancona,
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html

Worst-Case Estimates for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

Projections based on C.D.C. scenarios show a potentially vast toll. But those numbers don’t account for interventions now underway.
The C.D.C. scenarios have not been publicly disclosed. Without an understanding of how experts view the threat, it remains unclear how far Americans will go in adopting socially disruptive steps that could help avert deaths.

The C.D.C. scenarios have not been publicly disclosed. Without an understanding of how experts view the threat, it remains unclear how far Americans will go in adopting socially disruptive steps that could help avert deaths.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times
Sheri Fink

By Sheri Fink

Published March 13, 2020
Updated March 18, 2020

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the United States could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.

The assumptions fueling those scenarios are mitigated by the fact that cities, states, businesses and individuals are beginning to take steps to slow transmission, even if some are acting less aggressively than others. The C.D.C.-led effort is developing more sophisticated models showing how interventions might decrease the worst-case numbers, though their projections have not been made public.

“When people change their behavior," said Lauren Gardner, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering who models epidemics, “those model parameters are no longer applicable,” so short-term forecasts are likely to be more accurate. “There is a lot of room for improvement if we act appropriately.”

Those actions include testing for the virus, tracing contacts, and reducing human interactions by stopping mass gatherings, working from home and curbing travel. In just the last two days, multiple schools and colleges closed, sports events were halted or delayed, Broadway theaters went dark, companies barred employees from going to the office and more people said they were following hygiene recommendations.

The Times obtained screenshots of the C.D.C. presentation, which has not been released publicly, from someone not involved in the meetings. The Times then verified the data with several scientists who did participate. The scenarios were marked valid until Feb. 28, but remain “roughly the same,” according to Ira Longini, co-director of the Center for Statistics and Quantitative Infectious Diseases at the University of Florida. He has joined in meetings of the group.

The C.D.C. declined interview requests about the modeling effort and referred a request for comment to the White House Coronavirus Task Force. Devin O’Malley, a spokesman for the task force, said that senior health officials had not presented the findings to the group, led by Vice President Mike Pence, and that nobody in Mr. Pence’s office “has seen or been briefed on these models.”

The assumptions in the C.D.C.’s four scenarios, and the new numerical projections, fall in the range of others developed by independent experts.

Dr. Longini said the scenarios he helped the C.D.C. refine had not been publicly disclosed because there remained uncertainty about certain key aspects, including how much transmission could occur from people who showed no symptoms or had only mild ones.

“We’re being very, very careful to make sure we have scientifically valid modeling that’s drawing properly on the epidemic and what’s known about the virus,” he said, warning that simple calculations could be misleading or even dangerous. “You can’t win. If you overdo it, you panic everybody. If you underdo it, they get complacent. You have to be careful.”

But without an understanding of how the nation’s top experts believe the virus could ravage the country, and what measures could slow it, it remains unclear how far Americans will go in adopting — or accepting — socially disruptive steps that could also avert deaths. And how quickly they will act.

Studies of previous epidemics have shown that the longer officials waited to encourage people to distance and protect themselves, the less useful those measures were in saving lives and preventing infections.
ImageAn isolate from the first U.S. case of Covid-19, the illness caused by coronavirus.

“A fire on your stove you could put out with a fire extinguisher, but if your kitchen is ablaze, that fire extinguisher probably won’t work,” said Dr. Carter Mecher, a senior medical adviser for public health at the Department of Veterans Affairs and a former director of medical preparedness policy at the White House during the Obama and Bush administrations. “Communities that pull the fire extinguisher early are much more effective.”

Dr. Biggerstaff presented his scenarios in a meeting held weekly to model the pandemic’s effects in the United States, Dr. Longini said. Its participants had been at work for several months before the emergence of the virus, modeling a potential influenza pandemic. “We just kind of retooled, re-shifted,” said Dr. Longini. “The priority’s now coronavirus.”
Latest Updates: Coronavirus Outbreak in the U.S.

The four scenarios have different parameters, which is why the projections range so widely. They variously assume that each person with the coronavirus would infect either two or three people; that the hospitalization rate would be either 3 percent or 12; and that either 1 percent or a quarter of a percent of people experiencing symptoms would die. Those assumptions are based on what is known so far about how the virus has behaved in other contexts, including in China.

Other weekly C.D.C. modeling meetings center on how the virus is spreading internationally, the impact of community actions such as closing schools, and estimating the supply of respirators, oxygen and other resources that could be needed by the nation’s health system, participants said.

In the absence of public projections from the C.D.C., outside experts have stepped in to fill the void, especially in health care. Hospital leaders have called for more guidance from the federal government as to what might lie in store in the coming weeks.

Even severe flu seasons stress the nation’s hospitals to the point of setting up tents in parking lots and keeping people for days in emergency rooms. Coronavirus is likely to cause five to 10 times that burden of disease, said Dr. James Lawler, an infectious diseases specialist and public health expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. Hospitals “need to start working now,” he said, “to get prepared to take care of a heck of a lot of people.”

Dr. Lawler recently presented his own “best guess” projections to American hospital and health system executives at a private webinar convened by the American Hospital Association. He estimated that some 96 million people in the United States would be infected. Five out of every hundred would need hospitalization, which would mean close to five million hospital admissions, nearly two million of those patients requiring intensive care and about half of those needing the support of ventilators.

Dr. Lawler’s calculations suggested 480,000 deaths, which he said was conservative. By contrast, about 20,000 to 50,000 people have died from flu-related illnesses this season, according to the C.D.C. Unlike with seasonal influenza, the entire population is thought to be susceptible to the new coronavirus.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking at a congressional hearing on Thursday, said predictions based on models should be treated with caution. “All models are as good as the assumptions that you put into the model,” he said, responding to a question from Representative Rashida Tlaib about an estimate from the attending physician of Congress that the United States could have 70 million to 150 million coronavirus cases.

What will determine the ultimate number, he said, “will be how you respond to it with containment and mitigation.”
Clues From 1918

Independent experts said these projections were critically important to act on, and act on quickly. If new infections can be spread out over time rather than peaking all at once, there will be less burden on hospitals and a lower ultimate death count. Slowing the spread will paradoxically make the outbreak last longer, but will cause it to be much milder, the modelers said.

A preliminary study released on Wednesday by the Institute for Disease Modeling projected that in the Seattle area, enhancing social distancing — limiting contact with groups of people — by 75 percent could reduce deaths caused by infections acquired in the next month from 400 to 30 in the region.

A recent paper, cited by Dr. Fauci at a news briefing on Tuesday, concludes that the rapid and aggressive quarantine and social distancing measures applied by China in cities outside of the outbreak’s epicenter achieved success. “Most countries only attempt social distancing and hygiene interventions when widespread transmission is apparent. This gives the virus many weeks to spread,” the paper said, with the average number of people each new patient infects higher than if the measures were in place much earlier, even before the virus is detected in the community.

“By the time you have a death in the community, you have a lot of cases already,” said Dr. Mecher. “It’s giving you insight into where the epidemic was, not where it is, when you have something fast moving.” He added: “Think starlight. That light isn’t from now, it’s from however long it took to get here.”

He said a single targeted step — a school closing, or a limit on mass gatherings — cannot stop an outbreak on its own. But as with Swiss cheese, layering them together can be effective.

This conclusion is backed up by history.

The most lethal pandemic to hit the United States was the 1918 Spanish flu, which was responsible for about 675,000 American deaths, according to estimates cited by the C.D.C.

The Institute for Disease Modeling calculated that the new coronavirus is roughly equally transmissible as the 1918 flu, and just slightly less clinically severe, and it is higher in both transmissibility and severity compared with all other flu viruses in the past century.

Dr. Mecher and other researchers studied deaths during that pandemic a century ago, comparing the experiences of various cities, including what were then America’s third- and fourth-largest, Philadelphia and St Louis. In October of that year Dr. Rupert Blue, America’s surgeon general, urged local authorities to “close all public gathering places if their community is threatened with the epidemic,” such as schools, churches, and theaters. “There is no way to put a nationwide closing order into effect,” he wrote, “as this is a matter which is up to the individual communities.”

The mayor of St. Louis quickly took that advice, closing for several weeks “theaters, moving picture shows, schools, pool and billiard halls, Sunday schools, cabarets, lodges, societies, public funerals, open air meetings, dance halls and conventions until further notice.” The death rate rose, but stayed relatively flat over that autumn.

By contrast, Philadelphia took none of those measures; the epidemic there had started before Dr. Blue’s warning. Its death rate skyrocketed.

The speed and deadliness of the pandemic humbled doctors then much as the coronavirus pandemic is doing now. Some commented on the difficulty of getting healthy people to take personal precautions to help protect others at greater risk.

Modern societies have tools that did not exist then: advanced hospitals, the possibility of producing a vaccine in roughly a year, the production of diagnostics. But other signs are more worrying.

The world population is about triple the size it was the year before the 1918 flu, with 10 times as many people over 65 and 30 times as many over 85. These groups have proven especially likely to become critically ill and die in the current coronavirus pandemic. In Italy, hospitals are so overwhelmed that ventilators are being rationed.

“It’s so important that we protect them,” said Dr. Gabriel Leung, a professor in population health at Hong Kong University. In work accepted for publication in the journal Nature Medicine, he estimated that 1.5 percent of symptomatic people with the virus died. He and others who have devoted their careers to modeling said that looking at the experiences of other countries already battling the coronavirus was all it took to know what needed to be done in the United States.

“All U.S. cities and states have the natural experiment of the cities that have preceded us, namely the superb response of Singapore and Hong Kong,” said Dr. Michael Callahan, an infectious disease specialist at Harvard. Those countries implemented school closures, eliminated mass gatherings, required work from home, and rigorously decontaminated their public transportation and infrastructure. They also conducted widespread testing.

They were able to “reduce an explosive epidemic to a steady state one,” Dr. Callahan said.

As in the case of an approaching hurricane, Dr. Mecher said, “You’ve got to take potentially very disruptive actions when the sun is shining and the breeze is mild.”
maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:09 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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You're using a crystal ball as much if not a whole lot more!


1. I have specifically not made any definite predictions. You have said that it definitely "will not get any better". It would be unscientific of me to say either way whether you are right or not, because I don't have a crystal ball.

2. If I have made a certain prediction, point it out to me and I will take it back.

3. This article is pseudo science. Notice the weasel words and one sided citations of facts.

- "Experts say...." (that is the classic weasel words with no citation, no discussion of whether it is "all experts" or "most experts" or "a few experts).

- "Numerous reports and computer modeling indicates...". I have been looking at the modeling, I don't get this impression. But even so, there is no accountability, no discussion if there is an agreement on the models or which models these are.

- "We will have to get used to social distancing over the next 1 to 2 year"? Really, says who? Is this still "some experts"? Is this just the author making a prediction?

- The author does end up citing an actual scientist. What this scientist says is rather less dramatic then what the anonymous "experts" say.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:12 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/05/05/us-death-toll-projections-double-as-researchers-measure-impact-of-eased-covid-19-lockdowns/#50de8a6a64ba

U.S. Death Toll Projections Double As Researchers Measure Impact Of Eased COVID-19 Lockdowns

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/05/05/us-death-toll-projections-double-as-researchers-measure-impact-of-eased-covid-19-lockdowns/#50de8a6a64ba

Isabel TogohForbes Staff
Business

Updated May 5, 2020, 08:31am EDT

TOPLINE

Leading researchers have nearly doubled their projections for U.S. coronavirus deaths, to 135,000 by August, reflecting “rising mobility in most U.S. states” as shelter-in-place orders and lockdowns start to lift.
Major Cities In The U.S. Adjust To Restrictive Coronavirus Measures - May 4, 2020

Medical workers take in patients outside of a special coronavirus intake area at Maimonides Medical ... [+] Spencer Platt/Getty Images
KEY FACTS

The latest forecast from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) shows that the U.S. death toll could reach between 95,092 and 242,890 by August 4, 2020.

The most likely outcome would be a cumulative 134,475 COVID-related deaths by August 4, 2020.

This is nearly double the 72,400 COVID-related deaths forecast by the IHME less than a week ago, on April 29, 2020.

“These projections are considerably higher than previous estimates, representing the combined effects of death model updates and formally incorporating the effect of changes in mobility and social distancing policies,” IHME said.

The IHME last month projected that between 59,300 and 114,200 people in the U.S. could die after contracting COVID-19.

IHME revises its figures based on changing circumstances, and these latest projections reflect a lifting of various lockdown measures in 31 states by

New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Michigan are forecast to have the highest cumulative death toll into August, according to the data.


The U.S. accounts for one third of global COVID-19 cases to date, with nearly 1.2 million Americans having been infected. At least 68,000 people in the U.S. have died, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Key background

The IMHE figures starkly shows the human cost of lifting lockdown measures in a bid to shore up battered economies. The IHME projections follow a Penn Wharton Budget Model last Friday, that estimates some 233,000 Americans could die with COVID-19, if the economy is fully reopened before June. President Donald Trump, who has lamented the economic toll that the virus shutdowns have had, estimated over the weekend that more than 100,000 Americans could die with coronavirus, up from his own estimate earlier last week of up to 70,000 deaths. Some businesses in states including Georgia, Alabama and Florida have reopened, while at least 31 states are set to ease restrictions by May 11, 2020, including Ohio, Florida and California.
Further reading

Reopening States Before June Would Save Millions Of Jobs But Result In Hundreds Of Thousands More Coronavirus Deaths: Report (Forbes)

COVID-19 Projections (IHME)
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america


Isabel Togoh
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maxdancona
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:12 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.


This is a well-written article.

This is what actual experts are saying. And notice how it is couched. They aren't making a solid prediction, they are saying that this is a possibility.

They say "it could last months" (this contradicts your other article that says "years").

They say "as many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die". They are being very careful to not make a certain prediction. (I have actually found a model suggesting that 2.2 million could die if there were no social distancing.
 

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