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Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 3 Apr, 2020 08:12 am
@maxdancona,
That's where the capacity and quality of health care infrastructure would come into play i guess.
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engineer
 
  5  
Fri 3 Apr, 2020 08:14 am
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 09:47 am
@engineer,
Israel's government intensified restrictions on movement and has called upon citizens to wear face masks in public to better protect themselves and others from the virus. Guidelines explained

The ultra-Orthodox city of Bnei Brak, which has become a hotspot for the spread of the virus, has been put on lockdown.

One may of course wonder if it is wise to leave the Ministry of Health to a man who relies on God rather than science to fight Covid-19:
Israel's Health Minister Yaakov Litzman belongs to a strictly religious party. At the end of March Litzman gave a press conference and was asked by a reporter whether the current curfew would be lifted before April 8: That's when Israel celebrates Passover, the important Jewish holiday. Litzmans Antwort: Man hoffe, dass der Messias vorher erscheine, um Israel zu erlösen.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 3 Apr, 2020 10:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The State of Berlin has ordered 400,000 respiratory protection masks in China - type FFP2 and FFP3. They are intended to protect medical personnel from infection with the coronavirus.
However, the shipment was intercepted by the USA and diverted to the United States.

Senator (Minister) of the Interior Geisel criticised the actions of the USA sharply. "We consider it an act of modern piracy," he said. "Even in times of global crisis there should be no Wild West methods." The German federal government should press the United States to comply with international rules.

A US government spokesman had already rejected similar accusations from France.
engineer
 
  1  
Fri 3 Apr, 2020 11:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I saw this come up in France. Does anyone know if "US" means federal government, state government or private entity?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 3 Apr, 2020 12:06 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
Does anyone know if "US" means federal government, state government or private entity?
I've looked various sources.
It seems that the masks were ordered by the Berlin police from 3M. The ordered masks were produced in a 3M factory in China. At the airport in Bangkok, the goods were to be reloaded and flown to Germany by air freight. Instead, the delivery was brought directly from Bangkok to the USA.

Police President Barbara Slowik told the Tagesspiegel newspaper: "We have placed an order for 400,000 FFP2 masks from an American manufacturer. A partial shipment of over 200 000 FFP2 masks has been confiscated since at the airport in Bangkok. "We believe this is in connection with the US government's export ban."

Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 3 Apr, 2020 12:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
3M warns against Trump's order to limit face mask exports
Quote:
(Reuters) - 3M Co said on Friday it would make more face masks for the United States to fight the coronavirus pandemic, but warned of the “humanitarian implications” of limiting supply to other countries as President Donald Trump directed.

Trump has asked 3M to ramp up imports of the masks to the U.S. from its other global manufacturing facilities, while demanding a pause in the exports of domestically-produced respirators to Canada and some Latin American countries.

“There are, however, significant humanitarian implications of ceasing respirator supplies to healthcare workers in Canada and Latin America, where we are a critical supplier of respirators,” the company said in a statement.

3M said such a move was likely to cause other countries to retaliate as the N-95 face masks made by 3M and other companies are in short supply among healthcare workers treating coronavirus patients.

“If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease.”

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said blocking 3M’s export of respirators could backfire, adding that thousands of nurses cross the border to work in Detroit every day.

3M’s response comes a day after Trump slammed the 117-year-old industrial giant in a tweet regarding their mask supply and invoked the Defense Production Act to get the company to produce more respirators. 3M “will have a big price to pay,” he had said, without elaborating. [nL1N2BR01X]

The Defense Production Act, which was passed in 1950, grants the president the power to expand industrial production of key materials or products for national security and other reasons.

U.S. trade adviser Peter Navarro said that the government had some issues making sure that enough of the masks produced by 3M around the world were coming back to the United States.

“The narrative that we aren’t doing everything we can as a company is just not true,” 3M Chief Executive Officer Mike Roman told CNBC television in an interview on Friday.

3M said it will work closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency to prioritize orders for the masks after saying earlier this week that it expects to ramp up U.S. monthly production of N-95 masks to 50 million in June.

The company said on Friday it has secured China’s approval to export to the U.S. 10 million N-95 respirators manufactured by the company in China.

The Post-it note maker’s shares declined as much as 3.6% to $133, compared with a 2.2% fall in the broader S&P 500 index .SPX.
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Olivier5
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 11:44 am
'Only' 525 deaths reported today in Italy, the lowest toll for over two weeks.

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chai2
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 12:55 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:

as of March 11,
Total cases: 938.
Total deaths: 29.
States reporting cases: 39.



March 11th info is on the other side of out of date and meaningless


I know.
As of today, there's been more than 2250 Deaths in NYC alone.
So for the stats of 3/11
BillRM
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:10 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

ehBeth wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:

as of March 11,
Total cases: 938.
Total deaths: 29.
States reporting cases: 39.



March 11th info is on the other side of out of date and meaningless


I know.

As of today, there's been more than 2250 Deaths in NYC alone.
So for the stats of 3/11


Number of deaths in NY dropping repeat dropping along with deaths in NJ

We shut down the whole society for an outbreak that is similar to a bad flu season at worst.

How many hundreds of thousands of deaths was being predicted by some of the posters on this website????

Sorry no doom day..........

Quote:
New York State reported 594 new coronavirus deaths on Sunday, fewer than the 630 it reported on Saturday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said at his daily news briefing. The state has had 4,159 fatalities so far.

New Jersey, which has the second-highest number of U.S. cases, reported a slowdown in the death rate: Fatalities rose by 71 on Sunday, compared with 200 the day before. It also reported fewer new cases, 3,381, for a total of 37,505. Total deaths are 917.

As President Donald Trump and other leaders warned of rising death tolls, Cuomo said it was too early to say if the outbreak had reached a peak in New York -- the center of the nation’s outbreak.
engineer
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:25 pm
@BillRM,
Let's all hope it's not doomsday. In two days, over 1000 people have died in one city. That's not anything like the flu. Not sure why you are so insistent when the numbers are pretty clear. The number of deaths from the flu over the entire 2018-2019 flu season for the entire country was 34,200 per the CDC. NY City had 1000 in two days. One state has seen over 4000 fatalities in just a couple of weeks. We don't want this spreading across the country.
Setanta
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:30 pm
@engineer,
It is also worth noting that even those who survive this suffer from slight to serious cardi0-pulmonary damage. All in all, though, it's a waste of time talking to Bill. Apart from the lack of coherence, he is incapable of giving up the argument.
engineer
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 09:01 pm
CNN article inside a NY City hospital ER.

Quote:
Brooklyn, New York (CNN)One emergency room. 40 minutes. Six patients went into cardiac arrest. Four died before they made it out of the ER.

The blare of the critical "CODE 99" from the hospital alert system rang out five other times in less than an hour, calling medics to scramble to a patient needing resuscitation.
It's not chaos, but to an onlooker, it seems like hell.
"They're so sick you lose them in a heartbeat, they're that sick," respiratory therapist Julie Eason told CNN. "They're talking to you and then a few minutes later you're putting a tube down their throat and you're hoping that you can set the ventilator in such a way that it actually helps them."
This is the truth of what coronavirus is doing to thousands of Americans, and likely will to many thousand more. It has been largely unseen because visitors are not allowed to be in hospitals, and everyone else is staying home.
The University Hospital in Brooklyn is now dedicated to only coronavirus patients.
The University Hospital in Brooklyn is now dedicated to only coronavirus patients.
CNN was invited to witness the scenes inside the University Hospital of Brooklyn, New York, part of the SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University. All the patients the hospital treats now are suffering from coronavirus -- it's one of three hospitals in the state ordered by Gov. Andrew Cuomo to dedicate itself entirely to dealing with the pandemic.
The volume of people coming to the ER is lower than before the virus, but because they are all suffering from Covid-19, the patients are sicker and the death rate is high. Nearly 25% of the patients admitted to the hospital with the virus have died.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 10:19 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
We shut down the whole society for an outbreak that is similar to a bad flu season at worst.

We shut down the whole society because we'd have more than two million US dead if we didn't.

More than two million US dead is nothing like a bad flu season.
McGentrix
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 10:28 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:
We shut down the whole society for an outbreak that is similar to a bad flu season at worst.

We shut down the whole society because we'd have more than two million US dead if we didn't.

More than two million US dead is nothing like a bad flu season.


But what's really happening is that authorities just don't want all 2 million dead at the same time. "Flatten the curve". All we are doing right now is keeping people secluded so they don't all get sick at once.

People are still going to get sick. People are still going to die all over the world. It will just be over a longer period of time.
oralloy
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 10:50 pm
@McGentrix,
Many fewer people will die if we flatten the curve. We don't have enough ventilators for everyone to get sick all at the same time. A lot of people will die from the lack of an available ventilator if everyone gets the disease all at once.

Having the disease spread in slow motion allows a ventilator to be reused over and over again on multiple people. As one patient recovers and no longer needs a ventilator, that ventilator can be transferred to a new patient who is just getting sick.

Also, if more people avoid getting the disease now when we don't have a lot of treatments for the disease, more lives will be saved later on when better treatments for the disease are developed.
glitterbag
 
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Sun 5 Apr, 2020 10:54 pm
@McGentrix,
You figure it will just take a little longer to kill Americans???? OK, I'll buy that. The sooner 2 million Americans die the faster we can get back to Benghazi.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 6 Apr, 2020 12:13 am
@oralloy,
Good, clear post.
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engineer
 
  2  
Mon 6 Apr, 2020 06:20 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

But what's really happening is that authorities just don't want all 2 million dead at the same time. "Flatten the curve". All we are doing right now is keeping people secluded so they don't all get sick at once.

People are still going to get sick. People are still going to die all over the world. It will just be over a longer period of time.

Not an inaccurate statement, but a slower rate means the medical system can keep up and if there are respirators and hospital beds and medical personnel available, then the death rate goes down. Part of the problem here is not just the number of cases or the fatality rate, it is how fast the cases peak.

Sad article from Ecuador. A lot of students there study abroad in Spain and Italy and brought the virus home. This is what a fast rising curve does compared to a flat one.
Quote:
The streets of Ecuador's western city of Guayaquil are deserted, with few residents in sight -- and a few dead, as bodies are being left in the streets of this overwhelmed place.

The coronavirus pandemic is overloading the public services in the country's most populous city to a point of collapse. Hospitals have no beds left to accept sick patients, and morgues, cemeteries and funeral homes are straining. With no place left to put them, some residents say they have no choice but placing them outside.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 6 Apr, 2020 07:37 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Many fewer people will die if we flatten the curve. We don't have enough ventilators for everyone to get sick all at the same time. A lot of people will die from the lack of an available ventilator if everyone gets the disease all at once.

Having the disease spread in slow motion allows a ventilator to be reused over and over again on multiple people. As one patient recovers and no longer needs a ventilator, that ventilator can be transferred to a new patient who is just getting sick.

Also, if more people avoid getting the disease now when we don't have a lot of treatments for the disease, more lives will be saved later on when better treatments for the disease are developed.


Lord let see roughly 10000 deaths so far in the US out of a population of 450 millions with the numbers of deaths already repeat already going down in NY and NJ.


Quote:
French Deaths Cut by Half in a Day (2:10 p.m. NY)
France reported the lowest daily coronavirus deaths in five days in a possible sign that three weeks of confinement are starting to help contain the outbreak. The country had 518 fatalities on Sunday, the fewest since last Tuesday, according to figures published by French health authorities. New cases dropped to 1,873, the fewest since March 21.


N.J. Death Fall Sharply (1:50 p.m. NY)
New Jersey, which has the second-highest number of U.S. cases, reported a slowdown in the death rate: Fatalities rose by 71 compared with 200 the day before.

N.Y. Deaths, Hospitalizations Fall (11:30 a.m. NY)
New York reported 594 new coronavirus deaths, fewer than the 630 it reported on Saturday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said at his daily press briefing. He said it’s too soon to draw conclusions. The state has 4,159 fatalities so far.

There are 122,031 positive cases in total. New hospitalizations also dropped, to 574 from 1,095, Cuomo reported.
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