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maxdancona
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 04:30 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

Do you understand exponential growth at all?

In a week there will be over 100,000 deaths. and in 2 weeks there will be 200,000 deaths.

At what point do you change your mind and start taking this seriously?


Sure it will be exponential with no break points an every man woman and children on the planet will have the virus in a week. Hell you can see such curves with the damn common flu virus.

Come on I have an engineering degree so my math background is more the enough to know that shouting exponential growth does not mean that such growth will go on for more then a small repeat small section of such a curve.

Amazing how many things show such growth for some part of it function an if this was not true every person on earth would have the virus by now.

After the virus have inflect a large percent of the small percent of the population with the most weaken immune systems the curve will no longer be exponential.


You keep saying that this is no worse than a normal flu. At what point do you admit you are wrong?

It is a simple question. You seem quite certain that we won't have more then 57,000 deaths in the US. I am quite certain that we will have this number by the middle of April, and much higher than that by the end of April.

If the number of deaths keep rising, will you ever admit you are wrong?
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 2 Apr, 2020 04:53 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

BillRM wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

Do you understand exponential growth at all?

In a week there will be over 100,000 deaths. and in 2 weeks there will be 200,000 deaths.

At what point do you change your mind and start taking this seriously?


Sure it will be exponential with no break points an every man woman and children on the planet will have the virus in a week. Hell you can see such curves with the damn common flu virus.

Come on I have an engineering degree so my math background is more the enough to know that shouting exponential growth does not mean that such growth will go on for more then a small repeat small section of such a curve.

Amazing how many things show such growth for some part of it function an if this was not true every person on earth would have the virus by now.

After the virus have inflect a large percent of the small percent of the population with the most weaken immune systems the curve will no longer be exponential.


You keep saying that this is no worse than a normal flu. At what point do you admit you are wrong?

It is a simple question. You seem quite certain that we won't have more then 57,000 deaths in the US. I am quite certain that we will have this number by the middle of April, and much higher than that by the end of April.

If the number of deaths keep rising, will you ever admit you are wrong?



Once more how is this virus death curve any different from many of the same kind of curves from the yearly flu??????????

Oh to beat a large percent of the flu yearly virus deaths totals you will need on hell of more then 57 thousands.
maxdancona
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 04:56 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Once more how is this virus death curve any different from many of the same kind of curves from the yearly flu??????????

Oh to beat a large percent of the flu yearly virus deaths totals you will need on hell of more then 57 thousands.


The corona virus will kill hundreds of thousands in the US in the next couple of months. The flu doesn't do that.
ehBeth
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 06:15 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Oh to beat a large percent of the flu yearly virus deaths totals you will need on hell of more then 57 thousands.


how many?
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 2 Apr, 2020 06:15 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
The corona virus will kill hundreds of thousands in the US in the next couple of months. The flu doesn't do that.


What excuses are you going to come up with when that turn out to be complete nonsense???????
BillRM
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 06:17 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

BillRM wrote:
Oh to beat a large percent of the flu yearly virus deaths totals you will need on hell of more then 57 thousands.


how many?


For your own benefits I would suggest getting the flu yearly US death rate numbers the same place I do the CDC website.
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maxdancona
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 06:17 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
The corona virus will kill hundreds of thousands in the US in the next couple of months. The flu doesn't do that.


What excuses are you going to come up with when that turn out to be complete nonsense???????


I have no problem admitting when the facts don't match my argument. If the number of US deaths attributed to coronavirus is less than 57,000 on April 16th . I will admit that I was wrong (and I will be thrilled about it).

At what point will you admit you were wrong?
ehBeth
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 06:18 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
You are not aware that young people and children rarely rarely died or even get seriously ill from this virus?


seriously. are you not following the news at all?

I was in contact today with a nurse who treated a child who died, and is working with one in ICU. That is immediately local - a hospital we can walk to. Children and young people are dying.

One is too many.

The way you poo pooh the news and truth is appalling.
BillRM
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 06:42 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

BillRM wrote:
You are not aware that young people and children rarely rarely died or even get seriously ill from this virus?


seriously. are you not following the news at all?

I was in contact today with a nurse who treated a child who died, and is working with one in ICU. That is immediately local - a hospital we can walk to. Children and young people are dying.

One is too many.

The way you poo pooh the news and truth is appalling.


One is too many!!!!!!!!

In a perfect world one would be too many but we are living in the semi real world and people including children died for all kind of reasons including Coronavirus but very very few children are dying of that virus or even getting badly ill.

I know you find that fact annoying as it does not suppport your position on the thread,

Quote:


https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/how-does-the-coronavirus-affect-children-and-infants

To date, more than 120,000 cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed around the globe, according to WHO. In the U.S., as of March 11, here are the most recent numbers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:

Total cases: 938.
Total deaths: 29.
States reporting cases: 39.
As cases and data multiply, infectious disease experts are starting to be able to draw some fairly solid conclusions about the virus and the coronavirus disease. High on the list of questions that parents have about coronavirus is how it may affect their children. Fortunately, the answer is somewhat reassuring.

[ READ: What You Really Need to Know About Coronavirus. ]
Danger Increases With Age
According to numbers provided by the China Center for Disease Control and Prevention, almost 90% of the more than 72,000 coronavirus cases reported in February occurred in people between the ages of 30 and 79.

Only 8.1% of the coronavirus cases were teens, and 0.9% were 9 or younger. Similarly, the World Health Organization Mission to China found that just under 80% of the cases reported as of Feb. 20 were in people ages 30 to 69.

Children infected by the virus also typically have milder symptoms – or none at all – and the death rate among younger patients is much lower than middle-aged and older populations.

The CDC says that reports out of China suggest that children with confirmed COVID-19, “may present with mild symptoms and though severe complications (acute respiratory distress syndrome, septic shock) have been reported, they appear to be uncommon.” Kids typically suffered cold-like symptoms, such as fever, runny nose and cough. As with all respiratory illnesses, certain populations of children may be at increased risk of severe infection, including those with underlying health conditions such as asthma or compromised immune systems.



Quote:


https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-new-age-analysis-of-risk-confirms-young-adults-not-invincible/

That likely explains why although older Americans represented 31% of the cases, they accounted for 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths, the CDC reported.

In contrast, no ICU admissions or deaths were reported among people younger than 20.
BillRM
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 07:04 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
The corona virus will kill hundreds of thousands in the US in the next couple of months. The flu doesn't do that.


What excuses are you going to come up with when that turn out to be complete nonsense???????


I have no problem admitting when the facts don't match my argument. If the number of US deaths attributed to coronavirus is less than 57,000 on April 16th . I will admit that I was wrong (and I will be thrilled about it).

At what point will you admit you were wrong?



I wonder if the UK bookmakers are making books on the end numbers of deaths in the US.

This would be my chance to make up some of the money this silliness is costing me as a renter of my condo is not being able to pay the full rent due to her losing hours at work.
glitterbag
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2020 09:31 pm
@BillRM,
"I wonder if the UK bookmakers are making books on the end numbers of deaths in the US.
This would be my chance to make up some of the money this silliness is costing me as a renter of my condo is not being able to pay the full rent due to her losing hours at work."

Oh how awful, I had no idea how much you are suffering. Sweet Jesus, will this torment ever end?
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 01:06 am
https://i.redd.it/brjf3ozfwbq41.jpg
chai2
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 03:24 am
@Olivier5,
I notice that rebound that China experienced from around day 55 to day 65.

I predict the rebound for the US will be much more severe. God we are stupid.

It looks like (hopefully) the apex in the US is soon to be reached.
Unfortunately the UK looks like it's still on a 45 degree trajectory.
I hope that changes soon.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 04:31 am
@chai2,
Yes, the US disease growth is slowing down already, a good sign. As I'm sure you noted, the graph uses a logarithmic scale so a straight ascending line means an exponential growth. When countries manage to reduce contagion speed, it shows in terms of the line progressively leveling.
oralloy
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 05:22 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
maxdancona wrote:
The corona virus will kill hundreds of thousands in the US in the next couple of months. The flu doesn't do that.

What excuses are you going to come up with when that turn out to be complete nonsense???????

"experts expect an average of 263,000 COVID-19-related deaths in 2020, but anywhere between 71,000 and 1.7 million deaths is a reasonable estimate"

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/best-case-and-worst-case-coronavirus-forecasts-are-very-far-apart/

Those are estimates for the US alone, by the way, not for the world.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 05:47 am
@Olivier5,
A flat line (eg Italy over the past week) means that the epidemic is still progressing in the population but at a constant speed, with the same increment of new cases every day (linear growth). This is better than an exponential growth but it's still propagating. Only the pace of propagation has been tamed at that point.

The next step is (hopefully, but look at South Korea...) a curve that heads down, indicating that propagation is slowing down in speed.

Only when the curve hits zero can one say that the epidemic has stopped progressing. China came close on day 55, deconfined itself a bit, and boom, it shoot up again, as noted by Chai, so now they are back to tighter lock down.
maxdancona
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 06:27 am
@Olivier5,
Just to clarify.

A flat (i.e. horizontal) line on a logarithmic scale means zero growth. However this graph is a graph of new cases per week.

So in Italy there is no growth in the number of new cases per week now. Of course the number of total cases is still growing.
maxdancona
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 06:29 am
@maxdancona,
I am still troubled that the "new cases" curve for the US is bending (as seen above), but the same curve for the number of deaths is not bending (i.e. still exponential). This did not happen in Italy.

ehBeth
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 08:01 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:

as of March 11,
Total cases: 938.
Total deaths: 29.
States reporting cases: 39.



March 11th info is on the other side of out of date and meaningless
ehBeth
 
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Fri 3 Apr, 2020 08:12 am
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3

Quote:
The coronavirus is five to 10 times more deadly than the flu for those between the ages of 0 and 45. It is 12 1/2 times more deadly than the flu for those over 85.


raw numbers already out of date after 3 days but still ...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/01/coronavirus-kills-1-000-single-day-u-s-double-flu/5100905002/

Quote:
The U.S. topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu.


Quote:
Some researchers say the daily death toll could more than double – to 2,200 or more – by mid-April. That figure would eclipse heart disease, the nation's No. 1 killer with about 1,772 deaths per day, according to the CDC.



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