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The Military Draft and You (or someone you may know)...?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:45 pm
@oralloy,
If the Iranians retaliate, killing a thousands Americans, Saudis and or Israelis, and then we retaliate again killing tens of thousands of Iranians.

Would that be a positive outcome, or a negative one?

The idea that death is OK as long as we kill more than they do is troubling to me. I would like to have leadership that would avoid the killing.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:49 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
If the Iranians retaliate, killing a thousands Americans, Saudis and or Israelis, and then we retaliate again killing tens of thousands of Iranians.

Would that be a positive outcome, or a negative one?

It depends.

If we escalate to whatever degree is required to put an end to the Iranian menace, positive.

If we allow Iran to get away with their aggression, negative.


maxdancona wrote:
The idea that death is OK as long as we kill more than they do is troubling to me. I would like to have leadership that would avoid the killing.

The only way to avoid the killing is to surrender to the bad guys and allow them to enslave us.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:55 pm
@oralloy,
Wait??? You are afraid that Iran is going to enslave us?

That's a little crazy, don't you think?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:57 pm
@maxdancona,
I think we are strong enough to resist conquest.

But Iran would do it to us if they could.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:35 am
As Tensions With Iran Escalated, Trump Opted for Most Extreme Measure
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:57 am
@revelette3,
Today, the parliament in Baghdad demands the withdrawal of all foreign soldiers from the country, and the deployment of the US-led anti-IS coalition had to be ended.
Iraqi parliament votes to expel US troops — awaits government approval
revelette3
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 09:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Despite the signed agreement, do you think US will completely pull out and if they don't what will happen then, do you think? We know Trump don't pay attention laws and war crimes or agreements. He has already threatened cultural centers in Iran because I assume he is mad at the protestors.

Quote:
The chants came as President Trump, who ordered the drone strike, fired off a series of Twitter ripostes to the growing anger, including that the United States had pinpointed 52 targets in Iran, including cultural sites, if there were any retaliation for the killing. He said the sites represented the 52 Americans hostages “taken by Iran many years ago” at the United States Embassy.

That led Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, to respond on Twitter that “targeting cultural sites is a war crime.” He said that the “end of U.S. malign presence in West Asia has begun.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/world/middleeast/iran-general-soleimani-iraq.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 09:54 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
Despite the signed agreement, do you think US will completely pull out and if they don't what will happen then, do you think? We know Trump don't pay attention laws and war crimes or agreements.
I suppose .... what you said in the last above quoted sentence.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 09:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Today, the parliament in Baghdad demands the withdrawal of all foreign soldiers from the country, and the deployment of the US-led anti-IS coalition had to be ended.

Good. Time for our soldiers to pack up and leave. Future actions in Iraq can be done via airstrikes without Iraqi permission.
revelette3
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 10:46 am
@oralloy,
Or we could pack up leave almost all places in the Middle East where the citizens of that country don't want our troops and work on diplomatic solutions instead of might and violence; thereby creating less enemies. Let the Middle East sort itself out, unless there is a universal agreement to help some country or group that has been hit with some kind of act of aggression and/or violence by another country or militant group.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 10:49 am
@revelette3,
I'm not sure what other places you are proposing that we leave, so I can't say whether I agree or disagree.
revelette3
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 12:47 pm
@oralloy,
This is relative older news of how many troops we have stationed, 2017, we may have switched some around, but we haven't brought too many home that I know about.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-deployments-may-2017-5

Quote:
In Afghanistan, about 8,400 US troops, most of which are US Army soldiers, are authorized to take part in Resolute Support, which aims to train, advise, and assist the Afghan security forces and institutions in their fight against the Taliban and other terrorist networks.

A new report, however, recently revealed that there are actually about 12,000 US troops in the country. The Pentagon then said on Aug. 30 that about 11,000 US troops are in Afghanistan.


We have 3,500 in Poland, 250 national guardsmen (I doubt they want us to leave); 4000-6000 in Iraq, 10,700 in Afghanistan, 40 in Somalia, 15,000 in Kuwait, 200 rangers and 500 special forces, which changed not too long ago. They may have moved to Iraq, and other parts of Syria guarding the oil.

The above info is in the graph in the above link.

oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:49 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
We have 3,500 in Poland, 250 national guardsmen (I doubt they want us to leave);

That's the European Union, not the Middle East. They are likely there to deter Putin from invading the EU.

Poland is the one country in Europe that doesn't stab us in the back. I support protecting them from Putin.


revelette3 wrote:
4000-6000 in Iraq,

I support pulling these people out. We should pack up and leave right away.


revelette3 wrote:
10,700 in Afghanistan,

These guys are there to prevent terrorists from taking over Afghanistan and launching more 9/11 attacks against us.

Much of the core leadership of al-Qa'ida remains intact. Only their current financial chief is a relatively new face.

Leader
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri

Military Chief
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_al-Adel

Intelligence Chief
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Ahmed_Abdullah

Financial Chief
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezedin_Abdel_Aziz_Khalil

Explosives and Chemical Weapons Specialist
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sayyid_Muhamed_Mustafa_al-Bakri

Former (now dead) Financial Chief
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeed_al-Masri


You can get a good sense of al-Qa'ida's remaining membership here on this page:
http://rewardsforjustice.net/english/most-wanted/terrorist-group/al-qaida-aq.html

If it asks you to select English as the language of the page, X out of the box without selecting anything. Selecting English will transfer you to a generic home page.


revelette3 wrote:
40 in Somalia,

40 isn't very many.


revelette3 wrote:
15,000 in Kuwait, 200 rangers and 500 special forces, which changed not too long ago.

Kuwait is a friendly country. Our troops probably face a warmer welcome there than they face in Germany (although shame on Germany for this).
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 10:06 pm
@oralloy,
Your observations are delightful and simpleminded.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 10:09 pm
@glitterbag,
Can you provide any evidence that my observations are incorrect?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 10:57 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
That's the European Union, not the Middle East. They are likely there to deter Putin from invading the EU.

Poland is the one country in Europe that doesn't stab us in the back. I support protecting them from Putin.
Can you provide the source for your information that the EU is involved here?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 10:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Kuwait is a friendly country. Our troops probably face a warmer welcome there than they face in Germany (although shame on Germany for this).
And how do you know this?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 11:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Germany's unfriendliness to the US is legendary.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 11:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Can you provide the source for your information that the EU is involved here?

I think you misunderstood my sentence: "That's the European Union, not the Middle East. They are likely there to deter Putin from invading the EU."

Here is a re-write of my sentence: "Poland is in the European Union, not in the Middle East. American soldiers are likely there to deter Putin from invading the EU."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2020 11:50 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Germany's unfriendliness to the US is legendary.
Maybe. Or maybe not. I don't know how it is in Kuweit. (And since no US-troops are here where I live, I can't tell that either.)
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