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The Democrats Gloat Thread

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 07:00 pm
In fact, it looks like terrorism might not be the vote winner it once was anymore for Bush and the Republicans, as the US population finally starts realising the bottom line..

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U.S. is Losing War on Terror, Say Americans

August 26, 2006

Adults in the United States are divided in their assessment of the global effort to fight terrorism, according to a poll by SurveyUSA. 45 per cent of respondents believe the terrorists are winning. Conversely, 41 per cent think the U.S. is succeeding, and 15 per cent are not sure. [..]

Polling Data

Who is winning the war on terror? The United States? Or the terrorists?

45% Terrorists

41% United States

15% Not sure

Source: SurveyUSA
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 1,200 American adults, conducted on Aug. 21 and Aug. 22, 2006. Margin of error is 2 per cent.


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Iraq War Distracted U.S., Say Americans

Many adults in the United States believe the coalition effort had a negative effect, according to a poll by Opinion Research Corporation released by CNN. 52 per cent of respondents believe the war in Iraq is a distraction from efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets within the United States. [..]

Polling Data

Which of the following statements comes closer to your view?

52% The war in Iraq is a distraction from the U.S. efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets within the U.S.

44% The war in Iraq is an essential part of the U.S. efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets within the U.S.

4% No opinion

Source: Opinion Research Corporation / CNN
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 1,033 American adults, conducted from Aug. 18 to Aug. 20, 2006. Margin of error is 3 per cent.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 07:49 pm
This one is a bit old (from three weeks ago) but its one you just cant skip in a thread called "The Democrats Gloating Thread".. Razz (though note the twist in the tail).

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WHITE HOUSE WATCH
Analyze Diss

by Ryan Lizza
Post date 08.04.06 | Issue date 08.14.06

It's not too much to say that Representative Mark Kennedy owes his political career to George W. Bush. When the Minneapolis corporate executive left the boardroom to embark on a quixotic bid for Congress in 2000, Bush's coattails carried him to a 155-vote victory. Once ensconced in Washington, Kennedy thrived as a Bush conservative in the salad days of post-September 11 GOP dominance. His fealty to the president was repaid in 2002 with the ultimate campaign gift: footage of Kennedy and Bush walking solemnly down the White House colonnade as the young congressman imparted some inaudible wisdom to the commander-in-chief. A Kennedy campaign ad that fall featured the scene with the voiceover, "I'm Congressman Mark Kennedy. I've stood with President Bush on the war against terrorism." It worked. Initially considered vulnerable, Kennedy won the race with a knockout 57 to 35 percent. In 2004, Bush's coattails helped lift Kennedy to victory once more. Bush won the district with 57 percent of the vote, his best showing in the state, while Kennedy lagged behind with 54 percent.

But those coattails have gotten an awful lot shorter in the last two years. Today, Kennedy is running like a candidate trying to shake off a disreputable past--in this case, one as a Bush Republican. And he's not alone. The districts and states that represent the best pick-up opportunities for Democrats, almost by definition, are the ones where Bush fatigue is strongest. So, after three elections of embracing Bush, GOP candidates across the country are facing a new challenge: perfecting the art of dissing Bush.

Flip on the tube in Minnesota these days and you'll meet the new Mark Kennedy, now running for the U.S. Senate. His latest campaign commercial features not Bush but Kennedy's mom. And Kennedy's dad. And Kennedy's three brothers. And Kennedy's wife. And Kennedy's four children. And Kennedy's dead ancestors (pictures of them, anyway). Rather than reminding voters of his experience serving in the House during six of the most consequential years in American history, Kennedy explains to Minnesotans that he's a certified public accountant.

Banished are any mentions of the president, the war on terrorism, or the GOP. Instead, the ad features a shot of Kennedy dressed ridiculously in a birthday hat and party blower to emphasize his daughter's on-camera testimony that he's "just not much of a party guy" and "doesn't do whatever the party says to." (She's right, though only barely: Kennedy opposed Bush's position only 8 percent of the time since coming to Washington.) When a reporter recently asked Kennedy why the scrupulously nonpartisan Congressional Quarterly described him as a "loyal Bush supporter," Kennedy seemed to regard the phrase as a political smear: "The attack on me is that I'm a lap dog of the president.... To have an organization as reputable as CQ fall into that trap, I just don't know."

Missouri Senator Jim Talent is also unveiling a newfound independent streak. Running in a special election in 2002, Talent had done Kennedy one better, scoring not only footage from the president but audio, too. "The best person running for the United States Senate is Jim Talent," Bush announced in a campaign ad. "The man doesn't need a focus group or a poll to tell him what to say." Perhaps. Though it seems that the GOP's cratering polls may have something to do with the new tack Talent is trying out for his reelection race. Bush is out, as is partisanship in all its forms. "Most people don't care if you're red or blue, Republican or Democrat," declares a new Talent ad, wishfully. In a "director's commentary" about the spot (I kid you not) that the senator provides on his website, he brags of passing legislation with Democrats including Chris Dodd, Charles Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein. No mention of the guy who signed it all into law.



Dissing Bush can be trickier than it might seem at first. There is, after all, the little matter of fund-raising, where the president, despite his sagging popularity, is still the party heavyweight. The trick for vulnerable GOP candidates is to somehow get Bush money without being in any way associated with Bush or the other radioactive members of his administration--a predicament that is tying Republicans into pretzels from coast to coast. The most common maneuver is for candidates to invent excuses to arrive late at their own fundraisers--or not at all. In March, New Jersey Senate candidate Tom Kean conveniently showed up at a buck-raking event in Newark just moments after the vice president had departed. His explanation? He was stuck in traffic. Virginia House member Thelma Drake was more creative. In May, when Bush dropped into Virginia Beach to raise $500,000 for her campaign, she didn't bother to show up at all. How could she, after all, when her vote was needed in Washington on a critical piece of legislation? (The bill in question passed 395-0.) Washington Senate candidate Mike McGavick at least had the decency to come up with an unimpeachable scheduling conflict when Bush showed up in the Seattle suburbs for a GOP fund-raiser: He was attending his son's high school graduation in Pennsylvania.

But no good trick lasts forever. Skipping out on fundraisers when Bush is in town became a common enough practice that Democrats started pointing out the ploy in local media outlets, making it more trouble than it was worth. The solution some candidates have landed on is to endure the shame of sharing a stage with the president of the United States and, after he leaves, to criticize him subtly but pointedly. House candidates Rick O'Donnell of Colorado and Heather Wilson of New Mexico have taken this course, smiling alongside Bush as he collects campaign checks for them one day and running ads trumpeting their willingness to defy Republican leaders in Washington the next.

For some, the best approach may be simply to ask Bush to stay away. When the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee recently unearthed the fact that Bush would be raising dough for David Reichert, who represents an increasingly Democratic district in Washington state, the news generated a wave of negative coverage about his coziness with the White House. When Reichert joined the pariah-in-chief at the event anyway, it seemed to do him more harm than good: The visit pumped anti-Bush money into the coffers of his opponent, who ended up out-raising him for the quarter. Indeed, the event provided so much fodder to tie Reichert to Bush that it's widely seen as the reason Reichert reversed his position on stem-cell research last month.



Given that 55 to 60 percent of Americans believe the president is doing a bad job, Bush-bashing is a surprisingly flexible tool, able to woo constituencies from across the ideological spectrum. While Mark Kennedy disses the president in order to win over fussy Minnesota independents, other Republicans badmouth Bush to woo conservatives angry about his immigration plan. Pennsylvania Representative Jim Gerlach tried this approach in a recent ad, explaining, "The president wants a guest-worker program that may lead to amnesty for illegal immigrants. That's sending the wrong message at the wrong time." Arizona's J.D. Hayworth has embraced this line in his latest book, complaining that Bush is "disturbingly vague and indecisive" on immigration.

In New England, by contrast, Bush-bashing is all about courting liberal voters. From the endangered Republicans in Connecticut to the GOP candidate for an open seat in Vermont, publicly breaking with the president is not so much a stunt as a way of life. Connecticut Representative Chris Shays has accused the Bush administration of hiding the costs of the war in Iraq and blasted the president for his stem-cell veto--and that's just in the last few weeks. Meanwhile, up in Vermont, part of what The Washington Post recently dubbed the "impeachment belt"--because of the region's enthusiasm for kicking Bush out of office--House candidate Martha Rainville told a reporter that the president's "time is better spent on other things" than visiting the state.

That may not be a terribly surprising statement coming from a Republican running for the seat vacated by socialist Bernie Sanders. What is surprising about this year's orgy of GOP Bush-bashing is how manufactured and artificial it all is. On the surface, the revolt against the president suggests that the storied discipline of his political machine has broken down. In fact, it means nothing of the kind: By instructing candidates to "localize" their races as much as possible, the party committees have essentially green-lighted the presidential diss as a campaign strategy. Which raises an interesting possibility: After six years of futile attempts by Democrats, could it be that Republicans are the ones who have finally figured out how to win elections by bashing Bush?

If you are wondering: those Republican candidates trying to dodge being seen with Bush know what they're doing. In a profile of Cheney, this article noted:

Quote:
A recent Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll, for example, found that 55 percent of independents said they were less likely to vote for a candidate for whom President Bush had campaigned, compared with 7 percent who were more likely to vote for a candidate for whom Bush had campaigned.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 02:20 pm
Just one of many reasons that the people are finally willing to call the bald faced liar a bald faced liar!


Republican Chutzpah on Iran
By Larry C. Johnson

Chutzpah is a Yiddish term that means "unbelievable gall; insolence; audacity." Got to love Yiddish. No other term captures what the Republican staff members of the House Intelligence Committee accomplished yesterday with the release of a partisan report on Iran. According to the Washington Post account.


A key House committee issued a stinging critique of US intelligence on Iran yesterday, charging that the CIA and other agencies lack "the ability to acquire essential information necessary to make judgments" on Tehran's nuclear program, its intentions or even its ties to terrorism.
Gee whiz, "lack of essential information?" Like what? Nuclear weapons? Which brings me to Valerie Plame.
When Valerie's identity was exposed by Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others in the Bush administration in the summer of 2003, she was doing undercover work to monitor, detect, and interdict nuclear technology going to Iran. Larisa Alexandrovna broke the story on Raw Story in February 2006. David Shuster confirmed the report on Hardball on 2 May 2006:
While the heart of the CIA leak investigation is the Bush administration's aggressive defense of the WMD case for war in Iraq, there is new evidence now the defense may have undermined intelligence efforts on Iran. The key player in the CIA leak story is Valerie Wilson, a CIA operative whose identity was outed by White House officials. As MSNBC first reported yesterday, Wilson was not just undercover but, according to intelligence sources, was part of an effort three years ago to monitor the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran...........................

We now see a new effort by the Republicans to bully the intelligence community into identifying an imminent threat that does not exist. Iran has been a threat for 26 years. As reported in the Washington Post and New York Times, the intelligence community does not believe Iran is anywhere near to developing or deploying a nuclear weapon.
Peter Hoekstra wants to use his position as head of the Intelligence Committee to bully analysts and scare Americans. Meanwhile, he has sat idle as the Republican White House destroyed a viable intelligence operation to keep tabs on Iran's nuclear ambitions. That, my friends, is pure Chutzpah. Mazeltov.

Full article at:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082606B.shtml
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 03:01 am
Truthout? They admit they are liars--

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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 03:51 am
From Rasmussen: their massive tracking survey of 15,000 voters per month shows that the number of Americans calling themselves Republican has fallen to its lowest level in more than two-and-a-half years.

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Number of Republicans declines to 32-month low

rasmussenreports.com
Fri Sep 1, 10:46 AM ET

The number of Americans calling themselves Republican has fallen to its lowest level in more than two-and-a-half years. Just 31.9% of American adults now say they're affiliated with the GOP. That's down from 37.2% in October 2004 and 34.5% at the beginning of 2006. These results come from Rasmussen Reports tracking surveys of 15,000 voters per month and have a margin of sampling error smaller than a percentage point.

The number of Democrats has grown slightly, from 36.1% at the beginning of the year to 37.3% now.

Those who claim to be unaffiliated have increased to 30.8% this month. That's the highest total recorded since Rasmussen Reports began releasing this data in January 2004.

Add it all together and the Democrats have their biggest net advantage - more than five percentage points - since January 2004. In the first month of 2006, the Democrats' advantage was just 1.6 percentage points. Last month, 32.8% of adults said they were Republicans and 36.8% identified themselves as Democrats. [..]
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 06:15 am
That's an encouraging group of trends.

ps...absolutely love your new avatar
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:34 am
hee.. thanks
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 3 Sep, 2006 02:30 am
We shall see what happens in the election coming up, Nimh! I do hope that you know enough about elections to know that polls are one thing, registered voters are another, likely voters still another category and TURNOUT the most critical factor.

I will also make a prediction. Since it is clear that you do not understand the American voter, you are dead wrong about the election of persons like Obama.

It will be proven when you see the five or six AFRICAN-AMERICANS who are running for office in statewide elections for Senator or Governor.

As I have stated previously and will reiterate. NO AFRICAN AMERICAN IN THE USA WILL WIN OFFICE IN A STATEWIDE RACE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS ARE NOT AFRICAN-AMERICANS


UNLESS

HE OR SHE IS ALSO RUNNING AGAINST ANOTHER AFRICAN-AMERICAN

( THAT IS WHAT OBAMA DID)

WE SHALL SEE!!!!!!!
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 3 Sep, 2006 04:57 am
BernardR wrote:
Since it is clear that you do not understand the American voter, you are dead wrong about the election of persons like Obama.

You cant even remember what it was I said "about the election of persons like Obama".
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 12:31 am
blatham wrote:
That's an encouraging group of trends.


Spoken like a true partisan.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 12:46 am
http://i1.tinypic.com/282j34o.jpg

From today's The Guardian.

Related comment (online): Bush's performance has been poor, but his packaging is exemplary
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 12:51 am
Bush, Merkel united on Iran's nuclear threat
They ask other nations to join opposition

Friday, January 13, 2006; Posted: 3:54 p.m. EST (20:54 GMT)

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Manage Alerts | What Is This? (CNN) -- President Bush and German Chancellor Angela Merkel called on nations around the world Friday to join in opposition to Iran's nuclear activities.

"Iran armed with a nuclear weapon poses a grave threat to the security of the world," said Bush at a joint appearance with Merkel at the White House.

The EU-3 nations of Britain, France and Germany -- which have negotiated with Iran in hopes of reaching a resolution -- together with the United States must work to persuade other nations to join their stance, said Merkel.

"And we will certainly not be intimidated by a country such as Iran," she said.

Bush said their meeting was part of a "proactive" diplomatic effort to determine how best to confront Iran over its fledgling nuclear program and "lay the foundation for peace."

Sidestepping a question about whether he favored sanctions, Bush said, "I'm not going to prejudge what the U.N. Security Council should do. But I recognize that it's logical that a country which has rejected diplomatic entreaties be sent to the United Nations Security Council."

"The current president of Iran has announced that the destruction of Israel is an important part of their agenda, and that's unacceptable," Bush said. "And the development of a nuclear weapon, it seems to me, would make him a step closer to achieving that objective."

On Friday the British Foreign Office said all five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, along with Germany, will meet Monday and Tuesday to discuss the nuclear standoff with Iran.

Senior officials from the EU-3 nations will attend the meeting along with representatives of the United States, China and Russia, the foreign office said in a written statement. All but Germany have veto power over any resolutions.

The meeting will focus on the language of a Security Council resolution that would not draw a Russian or Chinese veto, the statement said.

The United States has welcomed the EU-3's call for the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, to refer the issue to the Security Council. (Full story)

In response Friday, Tehran threatened to block inspections of its nuclear sites and stop working with the IAEA, if such a scenario occurs, Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said.

The move reflects a law passed by Iran last year.

Frustration with Iran builds
The meeting between Merkel and Bush coincided with Russia's appeals to Iran to resume its moratorium on nuclear activities and cooperation with the IAEA. (Full story)

Earlier this week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov informed U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that Russia would abstain, rather than vote against, efforts to move the issue to the Security Council, according to The Washington Post.

As well as possible economic sanctions, there have been calls for cultural and sports boycotts, including banning Iran from soccer's 2006 World Cup in Germany.

The calls resurfaced Friday as Bayern Munich played a match in Iran against Persepolis Tehran, to criticism in Germany. (Full story)

France said Friday that it favored a step-by-step approach over Iran's contested nuclear program and that any sanctions request at this stage would be premature.

Britain's Straw on the other hand didn't rule sanctions out when interviewed on BBC radio Friday.

Despite the threat of U.N. referral, Iran has vowed to press ahead.

End of Quote
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 01:03 am
While I agree that Merkel might be close on her views to the Democrta's policy, she (and the CDU, her party) are still on the right side of the polical spectrum.

A more recent media report on Merkel's position: Germany's Merkel Urges Diplomacy, Not Force, in Iran Dispute


An aside, BernhardR: giving links like in your above response might be against A2K's TOS!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 01:06 am
Why?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 01:34 am
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 03:40 am
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
That's an encouraging group of trends.


Spoken like a true partisan.


Mountie, clothes bedraggled and torn, marching, blowing into a hand-whittled flute, flag (yours) and head (mine) held high. I hadn't thought about it, but I guess that image must pump the red blood of inspiration in folks like you, as I pass by.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 03:50 am
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
That's an encouraging group of trends.

Spoken like a true partisan.

Shocked No, you dont say! And that on "The Democrats Gloat Thread"! What next? Will the posters on the Bush Supporters Thread relinquish their exemplary objective perspective in response? This is too exciting!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 05:12 am
nimh wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
That's an encouraging group of trends.

Spoken like a true partisan.

Shocked No, you dont say! And that on "The Democrats Gloat Thread"! What next? Will the posters on the Bush Supporters Thread relinquish their exemplary objective perspective in response? This is too exciting!



I think...only THINK, mind you...that Nimh needs to get out a little more.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 05:25 am
Tico's comment follows upon my indictment(s) [very plural] of both he and foxfyre for a species of partisanship (support for their party) which treats principle rather like a gay fellow tied to the back of a speeding pickup truck.
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