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Why do college professors lean/teach left?

 
 
ipxpert
 
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Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:56 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
No, bernie eschews intellectual tartegrades who pose as "xperts"


Yes. Coward: a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 06:09 pm
@ipxpert,
naah. Hes acting more like the grown up, since your seriatal stratiform communication isnt worth a pinch of **** hes got better things to do. I should probably join him.

say gnight to the people Gracie!!
ipxpert
 
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Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 06:42 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
naah. Hes acting more like the grown up, since your seriatal stratiform communication isnt worth a pinch of **** hes got better things to do. I should probably join him.

say gnight to the people Gracie!!


Yes, you should go. A little warm in here for you. You know, facts & all...
ekename
 
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Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 08:09 pm
@ipxpert,
Quote:
Will you ... please indicate who was being discussed in this exchange:

"But what these two numbskulls are voicing ..."


Finally, a mathematical conundrum.

As there were only two numbskulls up to that point, the reference was to you and the other one.

On the other question, educators tend to lean left because they are inclined.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 08:42 pm
@ipxpert,
It's painful isn't it, it must be.
ipxpert
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2019 08:17 am
@ekename,
Quote:
As there were only two numbskulls up to that point, the reference was to you and the other one.


Ad hominem. When you and others rersort to name calling, you've lost the argument.

Quote:
On the other question, educators tend to lean left because they are inclined.


Makes sense.

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ipxpert
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2019 08:23 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
It's painful isn't it, it must be.


Yes! Attempting to communicate factually with emotion-driven souls is painful. Attempting to communicate factually with hypocritical, emotion-driven 'educators' is very painful.

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2019 10:28 am
This thread is excruciatingly painful.
ipxpert
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2019 10:58 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
This thread is excruciatingly painful.


Agree.

blatham's self important drivel from the beginning included presumptive, assumptive, red herring ad hominems and no reasonable interaction. If blatham is an actual educator; I pity those being subjected and it is apparent that he does not react well to being called out on said drivel. I suspect his lectures consist primarily of indoctrination, self promotion and arrogance. The same goes for farmerman. Both refused acknowledgement of their fallacious behavior and have apparently retreated to their safe havens via the ignore button. You took a shot as well.

There are a few reasonable answers and interaction from those less concerned w/self promotion.

The subject clearly hit a nerve for some. Wink
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2019 11:47 am
@ipxpert,
Its mainly painful because you start with a fact-free premise and then want the rest to come up with backup.
Sure you aint Trump in another suit?.

What courses did you flunk? because you really sound embittered.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2019 08:51 pm
@ipxpert,
ipxpert wrote:

Quote:
It's painful isn't it, it must be.


Yes! Attempting to communicate factually with emotion-driven souls is painful. Attempting to communicate factually with hypocritical, emotion-driven 'educators' is very painful.




Most people pursue degrees in topics that interest them...not to spite you. We all have areas of interests that we study or absorb. It could be cooking, a particular time in history, furniture making, botany, meteorology, the subjects are endless. You seem to be deeply resentful towards other people for reasons I find hard to grasp. Do you think if others are knowlegeable about an area of study it somehow diminishes you? It doesn't, you should know that, but nevertheless you insult everyone on the board once you figure out about their background, area of study or employment. You can't be very happy about your life, or you're kidding yourself that you are remarkable and superior and everyone else who dares express an opinion is a drooling nitwit. Usually that attitude makes a person unpleasant to be around, but hey, I'm not judging, just making an observation.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 06:55 am
@glitterbag,
Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln each spoke about the necessity of an educated citizenry in the maintenance of American democracy.

We can profitably understand the attacks on or criticism of education as arising from three factors:

1) where we are engaged in the ongoing improvement of some aspect of our lives, criticism of what is becomes inevitable and expected. Where are we ailing and how can we do better? Much of the historical criticism of educational systems in America is driven by this simple factor.

2) particularly in settlement and agrarian regions, public school attendance was commonly deemed unnecessary or impractical or a silly waste of time. The "life of the mind" was often poorly encouraged or was denigrated outright. The "practical" was, understandably, valued as of prime importance. Children were needed on the farm or were expected to contribute in day to day activities benefiting the family. As the parents were themselves commonly not educated, we can appreciate that they had a poor grasp of how schooling could advance the families' interests. The Sarah Palin style notion of "common sense" as a superior form of "knowledge" is a remnant of that history.

3) and then there's the church. Not all religious communities though. The first universities were established by the Puritans and the Catholic community long had a high valuation of rigorous and sophisticated education at least for those moving into the priesthood and into leadership.

But the Protestant communities, particularly in rural America, commonly perceived secular education as a threat to religious indoctrination. That cultural inheritance remains highly visible today mainly in those rural regions of the south and midwest.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 07:50 am
@glitterbag,
an excellent bit of analysis.
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 11:35 am
@blatham,
Quote:

Which brings me to what Obama said at an Obama Foundation event
What Barack Obama gets exactly right about our toxic 'cancel' culture
…………..
Here's the key bit:

"This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically 'woke' and all that stuff. You should get over that quickly. The world is messy, there are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids. And share certain things with you."

Obama went on to note that he is bothered by a trend he sees "among young people particularly on college campuses" where "there is this sense that 'the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people and that's enough.'" Added Obama: "That's not activism. That's not bringing about change. if all you're doing is casting stones, you're probably not going to get that far. That's easy to do."
………….

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/obama-cancel-culture/index.html
BillW
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:07 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

In a nut shell - liberal is open mindedness: conservative is closed mindedness.


OK, it is time to get further into this comment I made in the beginning, which is btw - true to the absolute core and not meant to be derogatory. In a less inflammatory way to say the same thing - liberal is the inclusion and blending of all and conservative is emphasis on the singular.

Liberal education is a requirement of a liberal democracy which is in part defined as (from Wikipedia):
Quote:

Liberal democracy is a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. Also called Western democracy, it is characterised by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.


In conclusion, liberal democracy and liberal education are not "Liberal Politics". They are the inclusion of all elements to make a well rounded whole. And, for all those that will pu-pah what I have written - a liberal democracy with its required liberal education is a shouted requirement of the Conservative element of the USA as well as the Liberal element. It is the USA.

To not be; is to not be a Democracy!
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:11 pm
@BillW,
He's right on the money and it's gratifying to hear him say it.

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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:22 pm
@BillW,
Conservatism came into being as a somewhat coherent political ideology as a reaction to the French Revolution. This marks Burke's appearance. It has always been, at root, a defense of an upper ruling class and an attack on any push towards egalitarian or liberalization movements. For sure, there is variation in how strident and absolutist American conservatism has manifested over the years but what we are seeing now is an organized and highly dedicated effort to remove citizens from any significant role in governance.

BillW
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:32 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

and highly dedicated effort to remove citizens from any significant role in governance.

Yes, and what this means is a revolutionary from a Liberal Democracy!These are only the Tea Party and some close hangers on - not the majority...…..yet.

Thanks for the history b!
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 01:13 pm
@BillW,
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Thanks for the history b!
We Canadians are mandated by God to carry America upon our shoulders.
BillW
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 02:12 pm
@blatham,
Actually, Canada is on Americas shoulder, I guess though that would make Canada America's brain (geographically speaking of course).
 

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