gungasnake wrote:Lash wrote:
I really think one of you should either find the offensive content or apologize to Gunga.
A couple of these guys are trying to argue by demonization. I don't think they're really bright enough to read any of the articles on that list and try to comprehend them; they're simply working on the assumption that if they shout "hate monger" loud enough and often enough everybody who doesn't think like them will just sort of go away.
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Where was I when we got locked out? Oh, yes, finding the hate and the offensive.
Finding the Hate and the Lies in Gungasnakes's List
by Joe(not shouting nothing)Nation
This thread began with what I thought was a good example of hate propaganda- the use of an example of your own bad behavior turned against your opponent by connecting him with something even more hateful. I asked what I thought was a pretty good question, what did Gungasnake believe and why did he believe it? He replied with the list containing the "ravening wolves' quotation raising Dlowen's ire concerning the irony of one believer in Christ thinking all other believers in imaginary friends were somehow canine-like, less than human, but he never, and has never, replied as to the why portion of the question. We know he hates Islam. Indeed in his most recent post he wonders why anyone would begrudge him the enjoyment of his hatred and we know that his hatred is okay with Lash, she said so.
Here.
Then Gungasnake posted his list to aid in our education which I characterized as hate speech sites and got told I was in denial. To be completely honest, when I posted my opinion I has only surfed through about a third of the sites and some of the ones linked to them. So in order to be better educated I went back through a lot more of them, still not every single one, I got a little bored with one more accusative article regarding the spreading horror of Islamic rape across Europe where you get this mid-way through
Quote:Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers every week. Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it between the lines."
yeah.
That's from here. Oh, and read the forum following the article(s) wherein the writers urge the Army to use a shoot to kill attitude towards Muslim rioters in Scandinavian countries.
I could tell you about the rest but you can read them, though a lot are in Swedish and German and some of the links that were up a few nights ago are now dead, but the important thing is I think I now know the answer to my question of why? Why hate Islam? It is because Gungasnake and others writing the links he provided believe that hate is essential to our winning the war.
Like this: (and I apologize for it's length but I didn't want to edit it) And sorry Lash, the writer calls the Bush Administration liars in the second sentence.
The Awful Truth.
Quote:Can America win this war? I am very concerned that we may not. From the first pronouncement by the Bush administration that "Islam is a religion of peace", my heart sank into my stomach at the magnitude of the lie, and the self-evidently precocious dissemination of such an absurd conclusion. It was -after all- in the eyes of the administration, a "necessary lie". Necessary not to "offend" the Arab world. Necessary not to jeopardize the flow of oil. Necessary to prevent average -but armed- Americans from shooting Muslims on sight and demanding all out war on Islam. But there was a price attached to this lie. One which I have a bad feeling may make the magnitude of the lie go down in the annuls of history as one of historic proportions. The price attached has been huge. With this lie, America lost any chance to effective(sic) identify and expel the Fifth Column residing within her borders. How could the government justify going into mosques and arresting people practicing "a religion of peace"? With this lie, America can not even effectively hold Al Qaida fighters off-shore without bitter recriminations from the ACLU and other civil rights groups. With this lie, the government has put a ring into the nose of the media as well. How could a "leftist elite" -the common mantra of the right- media possibly negotiate a field of "politically correct" landmines installed by a "conservative" republican administration? How could the media even begin to deal with the boycotts and pull outs from advertisers as they told a politically incorrect truth to the shreiks(sic) and whining of the ACLU and CAIR?
Imagine if you will, that this was 1942 and one Adolf Hitler had come into the worlds view. Now imagine an American president saying "National Socialism is an ideology of peace". This is the correct analogy. What would the implications have been for the world were such an outrageous and absurd proclamation to have taken place? The President has tied the hands of this nation squarely behind it's back in the face of our enemies with this proclamation. There is no hope of naming the enemy now unless the American people do it themselves. An enemy unnamed is free because they are unidentifiable. They're not going to face deportation if they're here legally -as were most of the suicide pilots- . They're not going to face an outraged media being lead by our leader and government. They're not going to have to deal with something which I believe is the greatest price we must now pay for the lie: the unmitigated murderous rage of the American public. The out and out hatred of the American people for this enemy was a priceless commodity to any government bent upon winning a war. We needed it to grant us strength for what would have been a third world war of horrific proportions. That world war is still coming, like it or not. The difference will be the price we pay.
Emphasis and corrections mine.
So, and I won't go on much longer here, the message of the list is that Hate is good. We need hate. And here's another list linked to several of Gungasnake's.
here. Watch for pop-ups.
I disagree. I think hate blinds you and makes you do things like put too many KKKs in some words and dashs where they don't belong in others, but more, hate destroys your own spirit and does not make any of us stronger. Hate is a sign of weakness, not only in our enemies, but in ourselves. When we defeat our enemies, not Islam, but our enemies, it will not have been hatred that will have won the day, but the strength of our better principles.
Joe Nation