Okay...let's see...where was I...

Jeez, you guys are wearing me out.

Thomas: My point was never that there was or wasn't a God. My point was that you can't know, so saying "No, there isn't" is untrue.

As far as your "God = computer virus for the brain" statement goes...I'll agree with that if 'God' is substituted with 'religion', because I think religion is one of the worst things to ever happen to society.

religion does not equal God, however. This is the pitfall I fell into from age 11-ish through 18. I though that since the Christian God made no sense, that therefore there was no God at all. After I learned to dissociate my (or, more accurately, Christianity's" preconceptions about "God", I saw that one religion (or all religions, for that matter) that didn't make sense did not logically mean that there was no God.

From Lola's quotation of the Bible, I think that same pitfall has ensnared you lot. I don't get the problem here. Even if you feel the topic is irrelevant, you should still be able to accept that, even if it seems unlikely to you, that there could be a God of some sort.

I'm not sure what you mean here, wandel......about the difficulty of empirical knowledge demonstrated by Newton's question about the source of gravity. So I don't know if I agree with you or not.

Lola wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean here, wandel......about the difficulty of empirical knowledge demonstrated by Newton's question about the source of gravity. So I don't know if I agree with you or not.

I am sorry to bring this up again. (Only Frank can tell us whether it pertains to his topic.) Isaac Newton was unhappy that the particles responsible for gravitational force could not be observed. Modern physicists have named the particle "graviton" but have not been able to prove the existence of such a particle. The agent of gravity is still unknown but no one disputes the existence of gravity itself.

Clary: If a picture says a thousand words, do a thousand words make a picture?

I'll bid you adieu, madame, and hope to see you 'round this wide, whimsical, world wide web.


Frank: I've been busy these last few days. What was decided about agnosticism vs. atheism? Was it the standard "agree to disagree", or was there something more concrete?

Lola wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean here, wandel......about the difficulty of empirical knowledge demonstrated by Newton's question about the source of gravity. So I don't know if I agree with you or not.

I am sorry to bring this up again. (Only Frank can tell us whether it pertains to his topic.) Isaac Newton was unhappy that the particles responsible for gravitational force could not be observed. Modern physicists have named the particle "graviton" but have not been able to prove the existence of such a particle. The agent of gravity is still unknown but no one disputes the existence of gravity itself.

There is a mountain of stuff that cannot be known.

Frank Apisa wrote:

There is a mountain of stuff that cannot be known.

To state that something cannot be known would require Omniscience. Are you omniscient, Frank?

Clary: If a picture says a thousand words, do a thousand words make a picture?

I'll bid you adieu, madame, and hope to see you 'round this wide, whimsical, world wide web.


Frank: I've been busy these last few days. What was decided about agnosticism vs. atheism? Was it the standard "agree to disagree", or was there something more concrete?

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

There is a mountain of stuff that cannot be known.

To state that something cannot be known would require Omniscience. Are you omniscient, Frank?

A question like this from someone like you...who pretends to know what the nature of REALITY is...to someone like me who acknowledges that he does not know nor can he make a meaningful guess from the evidence available.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You gotta be shytin' me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is a mountain of stuff that cannot be know.

No omniscience needed to make that statement.

Grow a brain...then come back. It will be more fun.