Okay...let's see...where was I...

Interesting thread...
I see it like this.
Say I invented a creature called googleshnortz, and assert that this great purple blob created everything that is orange in color.
Absent of proof, the claim stands as ridiculous and without any basis or merit.
Believers in googleshnortz, however, have managed to convince a group of people to the point where they say..well..maybe googleshrortz is real, after all, there is nothing to 'disprove' his existance.
Given the complete lack of evidence and rational grounding, to say googleshnortzs might be is as ludicrous as saying googleshnortz IS.
Such as it is with all current spiritual boogymen, but especially the one of christian manufacture. So long has this ridiculous mythology integrated itself with our culture that even some of those that would claim to be rational will say 'well, maybe.'
When in fact there is no rational answer but 'show me the proof or shut up about it'

You are living the proof... Or did you think we all just popped out of a balloon? You don't know where existence came from... until you do maybe you should stop telling people to shut up and start listening...

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You are living the proof... Or did you think we all just popped out of a balloon? You don't know where existence came from... until you do maybe you should stop telling people to shut up and start listening...

Nice, an ad ignorantiam and a false dichotomy in two sentences. What a delicious example of fallacious argument.

I believe it is you that used the ad ignorantiam...

You are living the proof... Or did you think we all just popped out of a balloon? You don't know where existence came from... until you do maybe you should stop telling people to shut up and start listening...

You are living the proof... Or did you think we all just popped out of a balloon?

then you ignore "reality" which is the proof...

Existence then "naturally" progresses logically to the questions who, what and how did existence come to "exist"? Existence is both physical and spiritual.

Some person or thing "obviously" has the "power" to light up the stars create and breathe life into matter... To deny this is to deny our own humble beginnings...

Science prides themselves on their powers of observation yet they deny existence itself...

So before the big bang there was nothing?

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I believe it is you that used the ad ignorantiam...

This makes it quite apparent that you don't know what an 'ad ignorantiam' argument is.
Pay attention, you are about to learn something. An 'argumentum ad ignorantium' is an argument from ignorance. To say X is true because you can't prove X isn't true. So when you say

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You are living the proof... Or did you think we all just popped out of a balloon? You don't know where existence came from... until you do maybe you should stop telling people to shut up and start listening...

you are presenting a textbook version of this logical fallacy.
A 'false dichotomy' is when two choices are presented as if they were the only possible choices, when no indication is given that such is the case.
Here is a textbook example:

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You are living the proof... Or did you think we all just popped out of a balloon?

Also, you have in your most recent post forwarded a series of non-sequiturs. A non sequitur is when the conclusion does not rationally follow from the premise.

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then you ignore "reality" which is the proof...

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Existence then "naturally" progresses logically to the questions who, what and how did existence come to "exist"? Existence is both physical and spiritual.

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Some person or thing "obviously" has the "power" to light up the stars create and breathe life into matter... To deny this is to deny our own humble beginnings...

Then step over to an outright absurdity

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Science prides themselves on their powers of observation yet they deny existence itself...

And top it off with another false dichotomy.

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So before the big bang there was nothing?

Nice post. I'd think it was a joke if I hadn't read a bunch of your previous work.

You sir, are a fuzzy thinker.

Death versus creation...

real life wrote:

Doktor S wrote:

Interesting thread...
I see it like this.
Say I invented a creature called googleshnortz, and assert that this great purple blob created everything that is orange in color.
Absent of proof, the claim stands as ridiculous and without any basis or merit.
Believers in googleshnortz, however, have managed to convince a group of people to the point where they say..well..maybe googleshrortz is real, after all, there is nothing to 'disprove' his existance.
Given the complete lack of evidence and rational grounding, to say googleshnortzs might be is as ludicrous as saying googleshnortz IS.
Such as it is with all current spiritual boogymen, but especially the one of christian manufacture. So long has this ridiculous mythology integrated itself with our culture that even some of those that would claim to be rational will say 'well, maybe.'
When in fact there is no rational answer but 'show me the proof or shut up about it'

I don't usually comment on avatars, but regarding yours, is that a swastika on the forehead? I'm not sure that anything you say about rationality holds any credibility for me at this point.

What does my avatar have to do with anything?
Is this the kind of irrelevant drivel you generally reply with?
Besides, you're a theist..what do you need with rationality.


For the record, it's a caracature of charles manson, no I'm not a nazi, but the picture is pleasing to my eye.

But it's bizarre responses such as yours that are the reason I say nothing you have said about rationality holds any credibility.

So are you a Manson fan? Do you think he should be released?