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Is fat unattractive?

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 07:27 pm
Yup, Green Witch.

Kissing an eater is sweeter than kissing a smoker. And someone else's eating is unlikely to cause my lungs trouble they can't manage any more.
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HofT
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 04:16 am
thelancet.com today - Thursday June 16 2005

Early Online Publication: Smoking and obesity accelerate ageing

People who smoke or who are obese are biologically older than slim individuals and non-smokers, suggests a Research Letter. The study shows how telomere length decreases steadily with age; the telomeres of obese women and smokers were much shorter than those of lean women and never-smokers. The difference in telomere length between being lean and being obese corresponded to 8·8 years of ageing, and smoking (previous or current) corresponded to 4·6 years of ageing. >>

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http://www.thelancet.com/
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These are the numbers: fatties face twice the risk of smokers.

Wishful thinking and political correctness are in display in yet another field, this time relating to "racism"; being "black" is a risk factor by itself in all statistics, but federal law prohibits charging blacks higher premiums than whites. Now medication proven to help black patients only is in danger of being blocked on the absurd grounds that:

"...By approving a drug for one race, "you are giving biological reality to … a cultural prejudice, and that can be dangerous," said Gregory Dorr, an expert in the history of medicine at the University of Alabama. "The last time something was labeled for blacks, it was water coolers and restrooms.""
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-bidil16jun16,0,4834657.story?coll=la-home-business
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Numbers don't lie. If blacks and fat people would rather die than admit they are at much higher risk than the remaining population they're free to do so - they're hurting nobody but themselves and are helping the insurance industry (which goes by the numbers, not political correctness)
rake in profits based on the myths they propagate.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 06:38 am
SaRaBaRa wrote:
I can so respond to this...Beauty is what lies on the inside of a person not on the out...there are plenty of men out there who love bigger women'the more bounce for the more ounce' Take it from me... I am a big girl, but for some reason of all the times that I began feeling like I would never be excepted as pretty to a guy...I have guys chasing me literally from every angle...I love it...cuz I play hard 2 get, and from that I get what I want! If u feel confident on your body image than that is all that counts, don't try to change for someone else...change only if u want 4 urself!


A lovely sentiment and should be true but unfortunately we live in a world that judges people by how they look. While beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, there are still "standards" society has set as to what is beautiful and what is not.
As well, biology plays a role in beauty. Symmetry is what makes someones face beautiful, universally.

I do believe you are correct in saying it's what's inside that counts but the world isn't as forgiving as a whole.
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Lady J
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 02:32 pm
Really interesting thread and I am glad you started it CG. I have always, for as long as I can remember had a bit of a distorted body image of my own self, but it never applied to other people. I have always thought or envisioned MYSELF as being somewhat fat or chubby. In reality I don't think that is the case, but my MIND says I am. I go shopping for clothes and every time I pick out items that are two ir three sizes larger than what I actually wear and am always surprised that they are too big when I go to try them on. Jeans, skirts, blouses, dresses, tees, even underwear. I have no concept even when I know what sizes I already have at home in my closet! I know there is some mental defect or cross wiring there somehow. It is one of the reasons I actually hate to shop.

When I look at other people and their body sizes, I am never concerned about their sizes unless they look obviously unhealthy in more ways than just their size being either too thin or too heavy. So, is fat unattractive to me? No. As long as someone is not unhealthy because of it

I haven't "dieted" in over 20 years. For most of that time I have always maintained my weight at about 145. I'm 5'8". I have always eaten what I want whenever I want but have always listened to my body and only eat when I am actually hungry. Therefore I don't prescribe to the three squares a day at precise times. I have noticed though that over the past year or so, I lose weight much easier than gain it. I have had to work at keeping my weight over 125 and this mornings scale showed me at 131.

Tall, short, thin or thick, most everyone looks good to me.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 06:43 pm
Lady J wrote:
I haven't "dieted" in over 20 years. For most of that time I have always maintained my weight at about 145. I'm 5'8". I have always eaten what I want whenever I want but have always listened to my body and only eat when I am actually hungry. Therefore I don't prescribe to the three squares a day at precise times. I have noticed though that over the past year or so, I lose weight much easier than gain it. I have had to work at keeping my weight over 125 and this mornings scale showed me at 131.


Gosh Lady J, I was just getting to really like you and now I have to hate you.
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pragmatic
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 09:19 pm
Nope. but I would get him to lose weight so I don't become a widow too soon.
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 11:23 pm
Lady J, make sure you tell your doctor about your weight loss..... you may be lucky (damn you!), but weight loss can also be a sign of a problem with your health. I don't mean stew and fret or rush right in to the Drs office, but maybe mention it on your next visit....?
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Bekaboo
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:40 am
Urgh this is so depressing Sad
Must remember I am tall!!
Must remember I am tall!!
I am a giraffe!!
Not an elephant!! Laughing
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JLLLLLL
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 02:23 pm
Re: Is fat unattractive?
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
There are pretty fat females and there are handsome fat males out there.

Males, would you date a pretty fat female?

Females, would you date a handsome fat male?

If so, why? If not why? Can fat good looking people find true love?


I think that fat people very rude and bitter because they are fat and wont try to help themselves and so far ive hated every fat person ive known now my room mate fat bastard i call him he shits on the tolit seat leaves pubic hairs will not clean up hes a fat bastard and i hate him fat girls they dont have most of them pride in themselves because they wont try to loose the fat and have reasons why they cant loose most just a cop out because theyi are too sorry to do anything about their fat asses. and alot of them smell not all but a lot. they make the good ones seem bad.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 02:27 pm
....Well, anyway, it's just a matter of where your personal boundary is between pleasingly plump and displeasingly plump. A little fat can be attractive on some people.
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JLLLLLL
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 02:28 pm
Tenoch wrote:
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
Tenoch wrote:
what bothers me more than girls who are too skinny are fake boobs. I HATE FAKE BOOBS, i think they look nasty and i would never date a girl that has them.


Then you've never seen a good pair. Fake boobs can be great. There are hack jobs, but some you can barely tell.

And no, I wouldn't date a fat girl. There are girls who are a little "thick" and are still hot, but someone who's definitely overweight? Nope. Not attractive to me.

However, when most guys talk about the nastiest girl they've hooked up with, it's usually a fat girl. Mine was a girl who was too skinny. She clearly had an eating disorder, it was bad. Ribs, bony, disgusting. That was worse than the couple of heavier chicks alcohol has forced me to see naked.


Most boob jobs are changed straight to D cups. D's just don't look right on most girls. if a girl was completley flat and went to a b or c cup that would be understandable. But most likely most girls go straight to D cups.
I fear that when they are in my mouth that they would rupture and i would get poisioned by the stuff they are made of and what if you married one what would the babys do. and me personally i would wont to suck on them too even to see what the milk tasted like.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:04 pm
JLLLLL, you don't want to be judged by the way you write so why are you judging other people by how much they weigh?

Not all fat people are slobs, or lazy, or disgusting. Most want to lose the weight and can't. There are medical reasons for some people.

Saying all fat people are lazy slobs is the same as saying all thin people are anorexic. Rolling Eyes
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:07 pm
Jllll - I get the impression you are very young and naive. Are you perhaps in the 7th grade?
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:38 pm
Coming into this a littlelate, but read the first several pages.

Lil K made me think about a girl I used to work with. I had daughter already and was several months pregnant with son. This girl at work, Suzanne, was telling me she teaches aerobics several times a week after work. I said something about that must be why she's in such great shape. A few days later somehow weight came up and I said I was something like 145 pounds. Her mouth dropped and I thought she was going to cry. Here I was several months pregnant, several years older and several inches taller than her and we both weighed the same despite all of her exercise.

I couldn't believe her reaction. I figured she knew muscle weighed more than fat and that she was in great shape and... I spent the rest of the afternoon trying to convince her she wasn't anything like this old fat pregnant lady beside her.

Long story short, it all depends on how it's carried. We're all different shapes and carry our weight different places and I wish we could all be comfortable with that fact.
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HofT
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 06:51 am
Squinney - you may have heard of Campos, a lawyer who represented parents in New Mexico whose daughter (weighing over 100 pounds at age 3) was placed in protective custody by the state. He has written a book in which he claims that obesity is a political plot - no I didn't make that up:
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"Although race and class are topics that make most Americans nearly as uncomfortable as fat itself, any extensive discussion of weight-related issues must explore the many connections between these three subjects. "Fat Culture" outlines how such disparate topics as Gwyneth Paltrow's fat suit, Michael Jackson's attempts to become white, Elvis Presley's expanding waistline, the "food porn" of high-end restaurant menu prose, and the kidnapping of a three-year-old girl by the state of New Mexico because she was "too fat" are all fundamentally interconnected."
http://www.obesitymyth.com/excerpt.html
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Lady J
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 02:06 pm
Green Witch wrote:
Lady J wrote:
I haven't "dieted" in over 20 years. For most of that time I have always maintained my weight at about 145. I'm 5'8". I have always eaten what I want whenever I want but have always listened to my body and only eat when I am actually hungry. Therefore I don't prescribe to the three squares a day at precise times. I have noticed though that over the past year or so, I lose weight much easier than gain it. I have had to work at keeping my weight over 125 and this mornings scale showed me at 131.


Gosh Lady J, I was just getting to really like you and now I have to hate you.


Nah!! You are WAY too nice of a green witch to hate anyone. Smile
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Lady J
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 02:14 pm
littlek wrote:
Lady J, make sure you tell your doctor about your weight loss..... you may be lucky (damn you!), but weight loss can also be a sign of a problem with your health. I don't mean stew and fret or rush right in to the Drs office, but maybe mention it on your next visit....?


Thank you sweet littlek. Smile We've been keeping an eye on it so the doc is not unaware at all. About a year or so ago, we DID do some switching around of some of my meds that I take for Fibromyalgia, so I think the combo of that and the sometimes "fibro fog" I go through, I just sometimes forget to eat too. Sad But otherwise I'm healthy! Just gotta remember not to buy me underwears too big...I hate when they creep! Razz
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 03:09 pm
Glad to hear it, Lady J, sorry to have been a little pest.....
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 03:09 pm
HofT wrote:
Squinney - you may have heard of Campos, a lawyer who represented parents in New Mexico whose daughter (weighing over 100 pounds at age 3) was placed in protective custody by the state. He has written a book in which he claims that obesity is a political plot - no I didn't make that up:
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"Although race and class are topics that make most Americans nearly as uncomfortable as fat itself, any extensive discussion of weight-related issues must explore the many connections between these three subjects. "Fat Culture" outlines how such disparate topics as Gwyneth Paltrow's fat suit, Michael Jackson's attempts to become white, Elvis Presley's expanding waistline, the "food porn" of high-end restaurant menu prose, and the kidnapping of a three-year-old girl by the state of New Mexico because she was "too fat" are all fundamentally interconnected."
http://www.obesitymyth.com/excerpt.html
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"Wow, thanks for the info, Hoft."
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Sanctuary
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 04:18 pm
In my humble opinion, this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/CrySanctuary/venus.jpg

Is a beautiful, desirable body type. It is, however, considered "overweight" by many a people in today's world. Overweight in a negative way, that is.

I think that if you're healthy, active, etc, then it doesn't matter what size you are. Just like extremely skinny people who are sickly, it is also unattractive to see someone who is overweight and sickly. It's all in the health, baby.
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