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@steve reid,

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That's fine, but in the course of the discussion people may disagree or not understand what your saying,

1 Corinthians 11: 19, "No doubt there must be divisions among you so the ones who are in the right may be clearly seen.

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@FredBquick,

FredBquick wrote:

Belief should have basis but this belief involves trust, that should be acted on. It would not be isolated from any evidence, that would not be fair, to expect of anyone.

Fair points, with evidence being the crux of the matter

As I've never perceived evidence of Gods existence for me God exists only as thoughts and ideas in my mind

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@steve reid,

The belief I have in God is logically reasoned as philosophy, and God is reasonably included in religion. There is nothing more qualified than God as the necessary existence, that is the explanation for all contingent existence, and that necessary existence is everywhere eternally, being really necessary then not being limited in any way. Any design from that necessary existence is indication of aware intelligence included in necessary existence, and that then is unlimited, making all contingent existence indicates unlimited power for that.

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@FredBquick,

Calling the universe “designed” is nonsense because it sneaks in the intelligent designer you’re supposed to be proving, turning the whole claim into circular fantasy instead of reasoning.

On the plus side everything you've ever posted here has the makings of a fine nursery story.

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@Lady Lingiton,

It is hardly circular when the universe having star systems in galaxies depends on the universal constant being what it is, rather than anything else, and this not even considering other independent constants being what they are. https://www.brown.edu/news/2026-04-20/cosmological-constant-problem
I would not trust another explanation so much, and that is not from using circular reasoning.
There is nothing faulty with using philosophical reasoning.

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There is another consciousness, we may become aware of it when we hear from that inside us, and it isn't our own self. It is not to be dismissed, it can be recognized as God speaking to us.

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If God is dismissed we generally have just ourselves for all our motivation, that seems fine to many but there is not hope for assurance of betterment with that. Having faith is better for mental health. We all have a place inside of us where God is needed.

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@FredBquick,

FredBquick wrote:

There is another consciousness, we may become aware of it when we hear from that inside us, and it isn't our own self

Have you experienced this 'other consciousness' personally or is it something you've read about and are hoping to experience

If you have experienced another consciousness, how do you differentiate between them

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@Patches,

If your post was true, Jesus would have lied at John 17:3 where he teaches 100%-the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
That is why Paul names only the Father as God at 1Corinthians 8:6.

Catholicism created the trinity in the 4th century.
Israel NEVER served a trinity=100% fact, that means when Jesus and every bible writer attended the Israelite places of worship knew nothing of a trinity=100% fact.
YOU ARE BEING MISLEAD.

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@steve reid,

steve reid wrote:

A question Mr FredBquick, can you define your definition of 'belief'

I ask because our understanding of the definition of the words we use must be the same. I encountered this problem with 'The Anointed', as he defines 'to believe' as 'to know', whereas I define 'believe' as 'to assume', there was much confusion on my part until I realised our different interpretation of the word 'believe'

Interesting question, Steve.

I'm on record here in A2K as defining "belief" on fundamental questions about the REALITY of existence (such as, "Is there at least one god or are there no gods?")...as GUESSES.

That is met by people who are "religious" as insulting...but it is not intended as such. If a person says, "I believe there is a GOD"...they are simply stating a guess on the issue, just as if a person says, "I believe there are no gods" is stating a guess.

People who guess there is a GOD (their GOD) often mention that they have "faith." "Faith" used that way is merely an insistence that their guess is correct.

So, for what it is worth, that is how I would define those two words (when discussing great unknowns): "Belief" = guess..."faith" = instance that the guess is correct.

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@FredBquick,

FredBquick wrote:

If God is dismissed we generally have just ourselves for all our motivation, that seems fine to many but there is not hope for assurance of betterment with that. Having faith is better for mental health. We all have a place inside of us where God is needed.

If you get a chance, Fred, please read my reply to Steve above. Thank you.

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