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What God showed among the prophets was this, God has shown you, man, what God requires of you, this is to do justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with God. Ten commandments consist of doing these things, and there are people doing what is in the ten commandments, though many more do not. It is good that God shows grace and there is a way of redemption provided in which there is restoration to God, but this works with faith that is the essential faith having repentance, which brings any with this to obedience to what God shows to do.

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@FredBquick,

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Ten commandments consist of doing these things, and there are people doing what is in the ten commandments, though many more do not.

Two men with access to rifles witness a psychopathic killer in a school yard with a machete, killing innocent children. One obeys the written law and out of fear to losing his immortal soul refuses to kill this man who is shedding the blood of innocents. The other, full of love and compassion for the innocent children blows the head off the psychopath.

Which of the two will God condemn and which will he reward?

I tell you now that you can lie there is a time to steal
There is a time to disobey there is a time to kill
There is a work that must be done upon the Sabbath day
No one who understands the Lord would teach another way
For the Lord God judges . . . . not on what you do
The heart and soul of man HE searches through
It’s the reason . . . “WHY” the deeds of man are done
This is what the Lord God judges on.

Not the black and white letter of the law my friend.

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@The Anointed,

What do you think? Laws from men can be inadequate. Law from what was heard that was known as God was in place for just knowing God's will, as we were supposed to, and could have with really walking with God. Saving lives is involved, even with a lot more compassion. Yet there are such who are aggressive that would do violence to others, even deadly, that it is better to stop even with killing those when needed for stopping them. This can be included in godliness but general killing is not.

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God is not limited, like any among us limit God in the ways we think of God. But God is beyond how we think, and is not limited in anything God is characterized with. God is not limited in all possible knowledge. God is not limited from anywhere in any time, God is actually present everywhere and is eternal, and, God is beyond this universe which is limited. God created it all, and all of it, with our little world in it, is God's. God is not limited in power and has power to make it all. God is not limited in care, God made this universe that is capable of having worlds with life, though they are not common and most likely not any with in reach of those on any other. God cares for life in this universe, God is not limited from caring for any of all the life in the universe, while capable of knowing any of us individually. God shows examples to us, for how we would respond rightly to God. There are plenty of those of us needing restoration that God does provide for.

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God is really big. How big? Unfathomably big. God is everywhere. The universe is more limited, observable and all of it beyond that. How can God have concern for you and anything smaller? God isn’t limited even to any scales. But you would need to talk with God, for having a relationship with God. I do what I see to do according to what God's will is, and trust God as I know I can, in which I would walk with God, I would not want it another way.

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The lives of us all are in God's hands, and God, the Creator of all, can say when anyone's time in this world is up. God is still righteous with this, and we do not have worthiness to just continue on. But God created souls to not come to an end, but to last for being in lasting relationship with God. Still, most fail at this, their souls will continue somewhere else apart from desirable relationship with God. But any of us are provided for being in the desirable relationship with God, and should not dismiss or despise that way for it when we seek God, who does not stay hiding from us but gives revelation for us to know God.

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God cares for all life in the universe as Creator with this universe made just right that life is possible in it, we are to care enough to not contribute to harm being done, God alone has authority over duration of life for any. God started creation caring for all in it, and it was very good. God has accommodation provided for the sake of hardened hearts among humans, God still does not will for any to perish. There will be restoration, with the way available to that with repentance in faith.

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God is everywhere, yet not everything. Any opposite is excluded. What is created is not God, who preceded creation, as necessary existence always has been. Recognizing God is important, we need that step while still needing to come to godliness, with virtues that will be showing with that. Love and compassion along with honesty are godly.

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Since I was asked something in a thread that was then locked, so that it cannot be answered, I might be asked the question here, without locking the thread, that I might answer.

It seemed that what was resulting from rebellion to God was not understood, though I think it seems basic. Everything God made including all the world was just right, it was perfect. Human rebellion changed that, God let humans to the results of the choices in rebellion, seen as a curse, with more sins it still grows. There is death, that there wasn't before, suffering, and things just getting worse. Aggression grew that made things worse for all, yet without predators in nature the populations of animals which needed now to multiply with there being death ultimately to all would grow uncontrollably and that would create greater problems.

God is providing restoration to be available. The repentant among us can be redeemed with the faith they come to and not just perish, turning from the rebellion to do what God says for them, all creation groans and the creatures will be brought into the new creation with those of the humans who are redeemed.

What more specific seems to need an answer?

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@FredBquick,

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What more specific seems to need an answer?

The complete absence of any verifiable evidence supporting the concept.

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@fobvius,

It is not about evidence. There never could be evidence that would meet the satisfaction of everyone or even most. What could it be? God coming visibly saying here I am? And God may have a billion other inhabited worlds with more pressing issues. I know that even such would be explained as some manifest alien life form. Any of those might come and claim to be God. So what would you want? There isn't anything possible, for accepted evidence. It is just a matter of logic I use, without evidence possible to prove it, but logic is good enough for me. And then logic of the caring Creator leads to the expectation of revelation to us, and that should be with the most impressive bases to distinguish it as the revelation, apart from others with such claim to be. But that is another issue and I can leave that to anyone, like you. I can still conclude things by logic like that God cares for life, all of life.

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I cannot answer questions to me in a thread that is closed so that no one can answer, even while about God. I can answer here so if I am asked something about God I would answer here.

There is logic enough to speak about God, even if not trusting God cares to provide revelation we would want, for knowing anything more. We could not even be here by just chance. The universe formed for life being possible in it is explainable in the best way as coming from necessary existence that causes it and all things that exist by causation, and the Creator is that necessary existence. We and any life are not really explainable by just chance. There are too many reasons why you shouldn't exist. But God knows all, for who will exist, as God makes possible.

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That God or anything outside of physical existence for it started the universe is excluded from consideration for explanation, that is all the reason the big bang at the start is disagreed with for the idea without scientific basis that the universe did not start but collapsed and rebounded. Evidence could have been found by now for that, which wasn't there. They will still hold onto to that rather than say God could be considered. But there is not anything from science that would be basis to conclude God is not there making anything happen. There is even belief that this is all simulation, rather than an acknowledgement of God. And God did do everything that they will not find other explanations for.

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@FredBquick,

If you wish to discuss your beliefs then type 'religiousforum' in your browser and enjoy a community of like-minded people.

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@FredBquick,

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It is not about evidence. There never could be evidence that would meet the satisfaction of everyone or even most. What could it be? God coming visibly saying here I am? And God may have a billion other inhabited worlds with more pressing issues. I know that even such would be explained as some manifest alien life form. Any of those might come and claim to be God. So what would you want? There isn't anything possible, for accepted evidence. It is just a matter of logic I use, without evidence possible to prove it, but logic is good enough for me. And then logic of the caring Creator leads to the expectation of revelation to us, and that should be with the most impressive bases to distinguish it as the revelation, apart from others with such claim to be. But that is another issue and I can leave that to anyone, like you. I can still conclude things by logic like that God cares for life, all of life.

FredBquick wrote:

There is logic enough to speak about God, even if not trusting God cares to provide revelation we would want, for knowing anything more. We could not even be here by just chance. The universe formed for life being possible in it is explainable in the best way as coming from necessary existence that causes it and all things that exist by causation, and the Creator is that necessary existence. We and any life are not really explainable by just chance. There are too many reasons why you shouldn't exist. But God knows all, for who will exist, as God makes possible.

Your logic ceases to be logic when you conflate it with wishful thinking

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This thread is about God, and I can discuss God here. And there is no basis to stop me. And discussing God, which this thread is for, will involve statements of belief. That would be true of all who post here saying anything about God. But much of what I say is still involving logic, even logic that you cannot dissuade me from.

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@fobvius,

God is everywhere through His Holy Spirit. Here is evidence supporting the truth, which is applicable in a court of law:
Edit [Moderator]: Link removed

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@FredBquick,

FredBquick wrote:

This thread is about God, and I can discuss God here.

It is and you can, and as in any discussion it will involve ideas being passed back and forth

FredBquick wrote:

And there is no basis to stop me.

I've no wish to stop you

FredBquick wrote:

And discussing God, which this thread is for, will involve statements of belief

That's fine, but in the course of the discussion people may disagree or not understand what your saying, and so ask for clarification or how you arrived at your statement of belief

FredBquick wrote:

But much of what I say is still involving logic, even logic that you cannot dissuade me from.

I'm not trying to dissuade you. If you want to mix logic with wishful thinking in your mind that's fine, but if your going to promote such on a public forum then you should expect questions, after all it is a discussion

A question Mr FredBquick, can you define your definition of 'belief'

I ask because our understanding of the definition of the words we use must be the same. I encountered this problem with 'The Anointed', as he defines 'to believe' as 'to know', whereas I define 'believe' as 'to assume', there was much confusion on my part until I realised our different interpretation of the word 'believe'

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