Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 10:40 am
@Patches,
I’m sure you’ve been down this road before, so now you are saying two Gods? I get that analogy with us having sons of similar kind, that makes two.
But what about the Holy Spirit? That don’t work there.
Patches
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 12:40 pm
@Leadfoot,
There are actually 3 Gods in the Godhead known as the Holy Trinity. The Holy Spirit comes from God and indeed God as well.
Patches
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 01:40 pm
John 14:6. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 07:06 pm
@Patches,
Quote:
There are actually 3 Gods in the Godhead known as the Holy Trinity. The Holy Spirit comes from God and indeed God as well.

Too much ad hoc stuff together to make it work for me.

Stuff like God Himself saying “This is My Son in whom I am well pleased.” tells me a lot about who Jesus was. You would have me believe that it was just God slapping himself on the back. That just cheapens it to the point of - Idk.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 11:29 am
@Leadfoot,
Well said, you are on the right track.
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HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 11:31 am
@Leadfoot,
Jesus PBUH is one of God's mighty Prophet. That's what Jesus PBUH said and that's is what Muslims believe.
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2021 10:59 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
Stuff like God Himself saying “This is My Son in whom I am well pleased.” tells me a lot about who Jesus was.


Except, that was not what our Lord God and saviour said.

Although The Roman Church has changed Luke 3: 22; to; “Thou art my beloved son in whom I am well pleased,” to make it appear as if Jesus was born ‘Son of God’ from the womb of Mary, rather than being born of the human parents Mary and Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios=Heli, by different mothers, and as an adult, was later born of the spirit of the Lord on the day of his baptism, when the spirit of our Lord God and saviour descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee.”

Or as said in Hebrews 5: 5; "You are my so, 'TODAY' I have become your Father."

In Luke 3: 22; (In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”) The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2021 08:45 am
@The Anointed,
I'm not expert enough in those old languages to know if you are right about this. But regardless, my inference is that God's Son was begotten as an independent entity at some point. When, really wouldn't matter to me.

But how do you square it with the claim that 'he was before the world began'?
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2021 11:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
Peter speaks of two different worlds, the preflood world in which Enoch was carried up and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of Most High in the creation, before being carried to the ends of that age, where he witnessed the heaven burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss=Black Hole, which is described as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.

Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."
And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord’s face.
[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Most-High said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory."

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

To translate something is to change it from one form to another. Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not experience death, and he was not found because God had translated him.”

The author of the book of Hebrews, could not have known that Enoch was translated so that he should not experience death, unless he had read from the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8.

Enoch was the one from the earlier age of Man that was destroyed by water, who was chosen to serve God before the body of Adam into all eternity.
Enoch from the previous world, was reborn on earth as the man Jesus, over whom the SECOND death had no power

2 Peter 3: 5-7; They purposely ignore the fact that long ago, God gave a command, and the heavens and earth (UNIVERSE) were created. The earth was formed out of water and by water, and it was also by water, the water of the flood, that the old world was destroyed. But the heavens and the earth (UNIVERSE) that now exist are being preserved by the same command of God, in order to be destroyed by fire. They are being kept for the day when godless people will be judged and destroyed.

Two separate worlds/ages of man, the world that was destroyed by water, and this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire.

Peter then goes on to say in verse 10; But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish.

Peter could not have received this information other than from the writings of Enoch, who was carried to the ends of this period of universal activity, where he witnessed the heavens burn up and fall as Massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss (Black Hole) which is described as the prison of all the stars and the host of Heaven, (UNIVERSE).

Personally, I see the Great Abyss, Black Hole, Bottomless Pit, or The Great Gatherer, as the open mouth of an Einstein Rosen bridge, into which this universe will one day descend, where it is torn to pieces Molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particle, and reconverted into the electromagnetic energy from which it was created and accelerated along the dark worm hole to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of light, where that liquid like Electromagnetic energy is spewed out of a ‘White Hole’ in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the eternal and boundless cosmos, where, from the cooling quantum of that electromagnetic energy a new universe is created, or rather, the old universe is resurrected, to continue on in its eternal process of evolution.

In 1 Peter 3: 21; speaks of the few people in the boat — eight in all — who were saved by the water, which was a symbol pointing to baptism, which now saves you.

Baptism is seen by Peter as being symbolic of the flood, in which the old body of Adam was submerged and the new body of Enoch, the heir to the throne of ‘The Most High in the creation,” arose from those waters.

Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives are all direct genetic descendants of Enoch, (The Anointed one,) through his six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminian, and Giadad.

Enoch is mentioned only three times in the Christian Scriptures; Genesis 5:23; Hebrew 11: 5; and the third time that Enoch is mentioned is in the Epistle of Jude, who is also called Thomas Didymus Jude [The Twin], and who was born to the house of Mary the mother of Jesus and her husband, the carpenter, See Matthew 13: 55; Jude quotes ‘VERBATIM’ from the book of Enoch.

The Jews abandoned Enoch, even though Moses quotes from the words of righteous Enoch, and the builders of the Roman church and all the denominational daughters have abandoned him also.

Enoch, to who all the spirits of the righteous had been gathered, up until the day of Jesus, was the chosen cornerstone to the new and glorious light temple of God, which replaces his old earthly tent, the body of mankind.

The STONE that the builders rejected, has turned out to be the most important STONE of all.

The writings of Enoch were held in great reverence by the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Origen and Tertullian, and were cherished by the early Christians, up until the fourth century, when, they were banned by dogmatic Roman authorities such as Hilary, Jerome and Augustine, and by the end of the fourth century, (Which is the beginning of the fifth century) they were condemned as being heretical, and they finally passed out of circulation by the middle of the fifth century and were thought lost for millennia. (550 A.D.)

1 Peter 1: 20-21; “He had been chosen by God before the creation of the world (That is destined to be destroyed by fire) and was revealed in these last days for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from death and gave him glory; and so your faith and hope are fixed on God.”
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2021 07:00 am
@The Anointed,
More there than i can comment on now, but i will say that i think the wrong side won in AD 325.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2021 08:25 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
More there than i can comment on now, but i will say that i think the wrong side won in AD 325.


Correct! And I’m glad that you have admitted that it was the ‘WRONG’ side. The wrong side did win in the 4th century, but only because it was the will of God, that it was allowed to win in 325 A.D., as prophesied by the Lord, who had revealed himself through his chosen earthly host body, his obedient servant, the man Jesus, and who, through his prophet Zechariah said, where it is prophesied in 11: 12-17; I told them, "If you think it best, give me my wages; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"-the handsome price at which they valued me!

So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the house of the LORD.

Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel. 15Then the LORD said to me, "Take again the equipment of a foolish shepherd. 16For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not care for the lost, or seek the young, or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but will eat the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hooves.

"Woe to the worthless shepherd, who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right eye! May his arm be completely withered, his right eye totally blinded!"

Oh! You shepherd of the darkness who claim God sent you out
And even though we know that’s true that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages cross the floor
Those thirty bits of silver for I’ll guide this flock no more.

A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide that stubborn flock
And He will be a useless one of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep and their hoofs? He tears them off

That worthless shepherd he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry then drop
And his right eye will I turn blind that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven, twelve to seventeen.

Who is the great religious organisation that was risen up in the land after the Lord had abandoned his stubborn flock, that great religious organisation, the woman who sits on the seven hills, whose head claims to be the shepherd of God’s people?

Revelation 18: 4-8.

Come out of her my people do not share in her sins
You must not share her punishment, her judgement day has come
Her sins are piled to heaven and God recalls her evil ways
She says I am no widow and I’ll never see the grave.

Because of that, in just one day disease will strike her down
And plagues and famine she’ll receive till finally she’ll be burned
You must pay her back two-fold for all that she has done
Fill her cup as she filled yours but make it twice as strong

For all the glory she has claimed and all her luxury
Must be repaid this very day with pain and misery.
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