George Galloway blasts the Senate

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

I said

"Or maybe you just dont care, you have control of the bits of Iraq you are interested in, the rest of the country can go to hell, is that it?"

Although I asked this rhetorically, it does appear that YES is the answer.

Steve:

Please refer to the previous reply to JTT.

My opinions seem to offend quite enough without you answering your own allegations and attributing those replies to me.

Tacky.




Condescending.

And annoying.

Lord Ellpus wrote:

Eh? Lusitania?....Are we discussing the same war?

You wont start a dispute just because of dinky 30 years, don't you? :wink:

Georgie boy did NOT think with his head, when invading Iraq. He went with the heart. He went with the "popular" mood in the US at that time, which was to strike back after 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with the perpetrators of 9/11

Excuse me - GeorgeOB's father, not grandfather, was meant in the above post.

Lord Ellpus said:

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Georgie boy did NOT think with his head, when invading Iraq. He went with the heart. He went with the "popular" mood in the US at that time, which was to strike back after 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with the perpetrators of 9/11

I'm afraid that I am going to have to disagree with you on a couple of points.

Whatever attribution of 'heart' we might give to GWB, it was never clear that he did anything at that time without the advice and consent of his handlers. And the choice of Iraq is muddied by its convenience as a target and getting even for his father. Too calculating for the heart.

And I do not recall any particular popular mood at that time to strike back at any old target, however displaced. Quite the contrary.

sumac wrote:

Lord Ellpus said:

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Georgie boy did NOT think with his head, when invading Iraq. He went with the heart. He went with the "popular" mood in the US at that time, which was to strike back after 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with the perpetrators of 9/11

I'm afraid that I am going to have to disagree with you on a couple of points.

Whatever attribution of 'heart' we might give to GWB, it was never clear that he did anything at that time without the advice and consent of his handlers. And the choice of Iraq is muddied by its convenience as a target and getting even for his father. Too calculating for the heart.

And I do not recall any particular popular mood at that time to strike back at any old target, however displaced. Quite the contrary.

Well then, the only thing I can say, is that his head doesnt function properly.....Is he alright, in the thinking department, your George?

And as far as the popular mood at that time is concerned, you could have dressed a Donkey up in an Arab Costume and someone would have shot at it!

HofT wrote:

Excuse me - GeorgeOB's father, not grandfather, was meant in the above post.

It hardly matters. Drunken Irishmen all the way down to the turtle.

HofT wrote:

Lord Ellpus - the aid sent to Stalin over the Pacific route dwarfs "lend-lease"; e.g. 9 out of 10 trucks in the Russian army were in fact ours and so was the gasoline powering them. That assistance would have stopped long before Russians got anywhere near the Atlantic.


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In the interest of full disclosure I support GeorgeOB grandfather's vote against "lend-lease", first in the spirit of Washington, second because I think it was monstrous to tar the German Navy with the allegation that the Lusitania was a "passenger" ship - any ship carrying guns and ammunition to a war zone is by definition a warship.

Churchill was first lord of the Admiralty at the time, so he must have known the nature of her cargo; don't bother refuting this, btw, since the ship has been located in the Irish Sea and her contents inventoried

Eh? Lusitania?....Are we discussing the same war?

HofT.....My point, before it was deflected by you back thirty years to the first World War, was:-

If the Americans had voted against lendlease in the SECOND World War, chances are that America would :-

a) Not have chosen to enter the War when they did, as up until lendlease, America was NEUTRAL.
By entering into lendlease, America eliminated any semblance of neutrality, therefore set itself on the road to joining with Britain in the war.

b) Not have been able to successfully enter the war, even if it had changed from its neutral stance, because your "Land Base/foothold" (mainland Britain) would probably have been under German control, owing to the fact that Britain would not have had sufficient equipment or supplies to have defended itself properly.

Russia, no matter how much they did, or did not receive from America, would have eventually overwhelmed Germany, even if they sent their Soldiers in using pitchforks (and they would have done so, Russia was/is not averse to using their soldiers as cannon fodder) ...purely on numbers alone. The Russian Army (existing at that time, and new conscripts taken from their staggering number of young men) VASTLY outnumbered the Germans. Ask any historian.

My point was.....if that one vote, made with the heart instead of the head, made the difference between yes or no to lendlease, the world would probably be a totally different place today.
Georgie boy did NOT think with his head, when invading Iraq. He went with the heart. He went with the "popular" mood in the US at that time, which was to strike back after 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with the perpetrators of 9/11, if he wanted to hit AQ, he should have hunted them down where they were based in either Saudi, Yemen or both.

100,000 people have died as a consequence of George acting with his heart, and Galloway had the gall to bring this out into the open.

Lusitania? I wont dispute anything with you on that one. Our two Countries leaders were up to underhand tricks even then.
But maybe that is for another thread.

Link for lendlease....
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1600.html

blatham wrote:

HofT wrote:

Excuse me - GeorgeOB's father, not grandfather, was meant in the above post.

It hardly matters. Drunken Irishmen all the way down to the turtle.

Not fair or balanced. Please withdraw. George is a sober and thoughtful poster. Often wrong, mind you. But one of your thinking Irish. (I know and am fond of some of the drinking Irish )