Can Souls in Hell be Forgiven and Saved and Go to Heaven?

Jesus always taught to the heart, which is why he used parables, they discern the heart of the listener. (Matthew 13:10-17) The stories carried a meaning while not being obvious even to the "wise man". Neither the rich man nor lazarus were real, poverty was not being done away with nor riches being condemned, nor was hades used as a location, for it is the common grave of the righteous and the unrighteous, when the apostle paul quoted the old testament, he used the word Hades to translate She'ol (compare Acts 2:27 and the original citation in Psalms 16:10.)
The “rich man” represented the Pharisees. (Luke 16:14.) The beggar Lazarus represented the common Jewish people who were despised by the Pharisees but became followers of Jesus. (Luke 18:11; John 7:49; Matthew 21:31, 32.) Their deaths were also symbolic, representing a change in circumstances. Thus, the formerly despised ones came into a position of divine favor i.e the bosom position of Abraham, and the formerly seemingly favored ones were rejected by God, while being tormented by the judgment messages delivered by the ones whom they had despised.—Acts 5:33; 7:54.


No, the dead are sleeping and conscious of nothing, so it would be silly if they could talk while unconscious, Jesus even suggested that they would be asleep until the hour that is coming in which they hear his voice and rise up again. (ecclesiastes 9:5, John 5:21, 28, 29)


No, fire is used in parables mostly to denote destruction, refinement or light. examined below

Because water cannot quench this fire, he was asking for the messages of judgement to be watered down, they were in essence being tormented by the message of the righteous ones, which were putting them to shame.


Fire was used in Bible times as the most thorough means of destruction. Hence, Jesus used fire to illustrate the complete destruction of the wicked.—Matthew 13:40-42, 49, 50
Fire is also used in reference to a refiner’s fire, a fire used in purifying gold and silver (Malachi 3:1-3) A test by fire also reveals the quality of a material, as pointed out by the apostle Paul when emphasizing the importance of building on Jesus Christ with fire-resistant materials.—1Corinthians 3:10-15. The fire in the parable was representative of the refining via the judgment messages delivered by Jesus followers

Essentially the parable has nothing to do with a putative hellfire or the condition of the dead, it is an illustration told to show that those who are favored by the world, are by no means favored by God, nor are those poor in worldly means poor toward God. more specifically applicable to the religious leaders of their day. (Matthew 6:19-21)

HEART (THE INTENT OF A THOUGHT)
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1 Pet 1:22
22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,
1 Pet 1:15
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
Matt 12:37
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 16:13
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
John 12:48-49
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
I Jn 3:19-21
19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.
James 1:26
26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless.
II Th 2:11
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Heb 10:22
22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
1 Pet 3:4
4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.
Eph 6:6
6 not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart,
James 4:8
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Matt 12:34
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matt 5:8
8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
Matt 6:21
21 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Rom 5:5
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1Thes 3:13
13 so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.
John 13:1-2
1 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray Him,
John 7:38
38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
1Thes 2:4
4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.
2 Tim 2:22
22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
Luke 2:35
35 (yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
Col 2:5-7
5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
Col 3:15-16
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Rom 6:17
17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
2 Cor 6:11
11 O Corinthians! We have spoken openly to you, our heart is wide open.
2 Cor 6:13
13 Now in return for the same (I speak as to children), you also be open.
2 Cor 5:21
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Matt 15:18
18 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Luke 6:43-45
43 "For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.
44 "For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush.
45 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
2 Cor 1:22
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Phil 4:6-7
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
2 Cor 5:12
12 For we do not commend ourselves again to you, but give you opportunity to glory on our behalf, that you may have an answer for those who boast in appearance and not in heart.
Gal 6:8-9
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
Phil 4:4-9
4 Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice!
5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy-- meditate on these things.
9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.
(NKJ)
We dont know where thoughts come from. But the Holy Spirit does, and He is given to us to warn us when the devil is in our minds trying to deceive us with deceptive words. The Holy Spirit is our guaranteed message from God and He only quotes verses. Now He will only quote new testament verses until you are strong enough to handle going back into the old testament. The Holy Spirit searches the hearts of all spirits. But if we dont have enough verses written in our conscience(book of beliefs) so that He can pick out the best one, He will use the ones He has. Dont be deceived even if you get a part of a verse go look it up so you dont miss the principle. Every verse is a spiritual principle just like our alphabet the verses are the Holy Spirits alphabet. The Holy Spirit knows what the intents are of other spirits, and He will warn us with a verse.

Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

EVIL HEART
Acts 8:17-22
17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
19 saying, "Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
20 But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!
21 "You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 "Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
(NKJ)

I Jn 3:21
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.
(NKJ)

What a load of bullshit!

That is an awfully drawn out way of saying you disagree

The good news my friend, is that I have studied and continue to study all 66 cannonised books of the bible, so the holy spirit has a lot to work with. I always share my understanding with the caveat that I might well be wrong, I am a student first, and a teacher second, but if you believe me wrong, show me where and I am happy to examine it.

on a side note,,, are your quoted scriptures exactly as quoted you by the holy spirit?

What's the use? If people in heaven have free will, it's human nature to 'sin.'

I wonder how my cycles of heaven and hell there will be?

How long does anyone wish to live? I'm not sure eternal life can be that interesting or rewarding. Do they have work in heaven? How does one make a living, and do all the homes look the same? Or does it depend on earthly wealth? Do they produce goods and services in heaven? If not, what will the people do with their 'free' time?

'Morning, CI. Thanks for dropping in.
Let me remind you that the soul is not immortal and that everlasting life is a gift. The majority of those permitted everlasting life will be right here on earth.

So, how much more time would you like to have for your world travels? Are there places you would like to see again? How many of your ancestors would you care to meet and converse with, share meals with?
I can't imagine one with your interests to ever be bored. The only thing lacking is whether you want it enough to search for it.

John 10:7-9
7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

Jesus said that All who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers. You don't believe Jesus. I do. And because satan quotes old testament how would one know if it was the Holy Spirit or satan quoting to them. Satan doesn't quote new testament because he would be glorifying Christ and his kingdom would be divided.
And yes when the Holy Spirit speaks to me He quotes the verses word for word as a whole verse. He does not quote chapter and verse number. Because that isn't part of the Word of God. I have to go look them up to show chapter and verse so that people can check what I say.

Please provide scriptural reference for this claim

"Soul" is an idea without much basis in fact based on religious belief. There is soul and there is soul.



There's no way to prove that the spiritual soul exists. It's similar to belief in god(s); nobody can produce evidence that 'it' exists.

Yes, but the scriptural words translated as souls encompass the entirety of our being. Hence, animals are referred to as souls.
When Adam was created, the bible explains that he "came to be a living soul" (Genesis 2:7)

Well if you can read your bible there isn't any reference of satan quoting new testament. Satan does quote old testament, and Jesus counters it with new testament.

Matt 12:25-28
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
(NKJ)

Christ I believe implicitly. It is your application that sparks my intrigue.


By your reasoning alone, (not that Im sure where you get the idea from) you render your own argument void. most of my verses were from the Christian Greek scriptures, so it COULDN'T be Satan speaking right?

Unless you know more than I, the Devil also only speaks the one time in the new testament, and that occurred before a word of the new testament was written. Perhaps I am missing something?

Squeaky appears to have been squawked by the terms "New Testament" and "Old Testament" which relate only to a portion of the content in each section of the whole.

I'm quite disturbed by your application of this scripture in particular, You use it to state what exactly? are you suggesting that Jesus was calling the writers of the old testament, thieves and robbers? please can you confirm what exactly you mean?

The reason I asked if you quoted the holy spirit word for word, was that it interested me that when the holy spirit quotes this scripture to you, he uses the word "saints", when the Greek word used which is Hagios means according to Strongs,

I had always considered the input of "Saints" to be a Catholic bias in the translation, and you don't strike me as the Catholic type(?)

I don't give verses unless the Holy Spirit first gives them to me.

That is an interesting comment, since the holy spirit is not a creature capable of independent thought or free will.

The mind does mysterious things to people who believe in the almighty up in the sky.

I feel sorry for the guy. I believe he is well intentioned.

Of coarse they're well intentioned - as are the billions of people who believe in their god(s).