I hate to bring to attention to one issue which gets attention on my FB pages with a good deal of the people I know who are from the country, women, and republicans. Abortion is still a dividing issue. Regardless of economics in either party, the president or anything else, it all comes down to which party believes in abortion as a solution to an unwanted pregnancy. Some women will base their whole election choices on that one issue and in the rural states, it is the "pro-lifers" who are the majority. I even hear it when I go to the beauty shops which is one reason I go less and less. (Luckily my daughter has learned enough to do my hair very well.)
Personally I don't believe half the republicans in congress when it comes to abortion are really truthful, nonetheless, they talk the talk. Moreover they may be pro-life and but they don't care about the born babies who are born in poverty. Personally I get sick of hearing it from them as I have heard for more than twenty years and counting. I also don't believe the Supreme Court will ever actually overturn abortion and these states who are now trying their best to run around the law will eventually end up in court. I wish I could hear alternative solutions offered from all these holier than thou women who make their whole political life based on this one choice rather than impractical smug self righteous refrain about abstaining.
The reason I bring it up is because with the trade wars, I see an opening in AG states if we play it right. Might not work for the President, but it could for the house, senate, and governor races.
I'll get off my soap box now.
BTW, I agree with your last post, hightor.
What I am learning from this thread ...
1. The Democrats have no responsibility to reach out to voters.
2. The Democrats have no ability to reach out to Trump voters anyway. They shouldn't even try.
3. There is nothing to do except be angry, which is complete justified... it isn't liberals fault that voters are too stupid to understand.
4. These is no point in treating voters with respect who disagree about abortion or immigration. People all fit into boxes, we can just write off people who oppose abortion. Why should we reach out for their votes?
You will forgive me for finding this thread depressing.
@maxdancona,
What you don't seem to get is it people who make these decisions, not parties; unless you expect the party to compromise their core democrat beliefs? Some women (not all and probably not in coastal states) don't want to hear other ways the democrat party is for them if their one core issue is in conflict and that would include men as well and would also include immigration and other such contentious issues. (although the latter is not a big issue in my state with either party)
That don't mean we ought not to try, just don't over expect and take into consideration where they are campaigning and the issues which are of concern to the local people in the area. And if they don't succeed it don't mean they didn't try to reach out, it just means other issues were more important to those voters candidates were campaigning to.
@revelette1,
The party has the responsibility to keep its base in line, and they have more levers to pull then you imply
And the rabid base has a responsibility too, if they really want to defeat Teump, they are going to have to talk with voters outside the bubble rather than yelling at them.
The Democrats can win this election. The question is whether they will.
@maxdancona,
Sent an abortion something big shot millionaires urge their mistresses to get when they impregnate them? No hypocracy among republicans here. Do as i say, not as I do.
@neptuneblue,
Quote:Which of the 22 candidates have not treated middle Americans with respect?
Do you really think a majority of those candidates are going to win the middle class vote when they are all pushing for such nonsense as reparations?
Do they think free health care for illegals or anyone here is something the middle class wants to pay for?
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Sent an abortion something big shot millionaires urge their mistresses to get when they impregnate them? No hypocracy among republicans here. Do as i say, not as I do.
I don't think anyone rich with a mistress has to urge anything. I think the mistress knows what to do and what not to do in order to keep the relationship going.
Now the question is what would happen if such a mistress would just break off the relationship, say nothing about the pregnancy, have the baby, and then bring the paternity test results to court.
I think the father has to recognize the baby at the time of birth in order to bear liability, but I could be wrong and it may differ in different legal codes.
@coa999,
Pretty close to zero. Maybe next President would person who wasn't President, if understand me.
To answer the question asked on this thread he has a better chance than I am comfortable with!
@RABEL222,
I agree with Rabel222, and it makes me sick. I hate what it says about the American people.
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:I hate what it says about the American people.
It says that we don't like having our civil liberties violated and will vote for candidates who will prevent leftists from doing so.
Today's news reports the entry of Mayor Bill De Blasio into the Democrat Primary race. I've lost count but believe this brings the total number of candidates to about 24.
My impression is that, apart from the somewhat tired and worn Joe Biden, the whole crowd consists of somewhat clownish self promoting figures whose records of accomplishment do very little to recommend them for the office.
de Blasio is a particularly divisive figure, who has only a negligible chance of winning the nomination to represent, a very divided and increasingly radical, Democrat Party in the next election. He joins other like figures and nonentities ( does anyone remember Beto?) in an assemblage that is not likely to advance Democrat prospects as it steps on the public political stage.
To a large degree Biden's entry into the race and continuing appeal appears to be based on the hope among both Democrat leaders and voters that he can somehow conceal the radicalism in today's Democrat Party. Either concealing it in the campaign, or taming it in the unlikely event that he is elected, appears to me to be a difficult chore with an uncertain outcome. I don't think this impression will be lost on the majority of voters in the coming election.
Meanwhile the economy continues to grow; employment rates (and now wages) continue to rise; and a new focus on longstanding but neglected issues ( Immigration, International Trade and others) has been created which promises constructive action on these longstanding matters.
In short I believe Trumps chances are looking very good
@georgeob1,
Quote:In short I believe Trumps chances are looking very good
Yup. And his chances increase with every new vote-splitting egotist who thinks he deserves a shot at the nomination.
@hightor,
It remains to be seen how the Democrat Platform will work out this year and just what will be the side effects of the process of getting there. The fact remains that a large wing of the party has moved very far to the left - far enough to detract from their appeal to an, also very large, segment of voters. I think Biden remains their best bet as a candidate, however he too will have to navigate this process within the party with more skill than I believe he has shown in the past.
Another significant element may be the contrast between what Trump has actually done - despite the overbearing elements of his communications and character - and what the Democrats end up proposing. Our history indicates that it's very hard for the outside party to overcome ongoing favorable economic trends. The far left appears to me to be so convinced of the merits of their largely theoretical and abstract promises & programs, that they are likely to ignore some of the complexities and side effects of implementing them. Memories of "if you like your doctor … If you like your insurance program., you can keep them" may persist in an electorate that remains skeptical and pragmatic.
Interesting times ...
@georgeob1,
Lets also not forget the favorable coverage the DNC candidates get from the MSM. "Scandals" that would ruin a GOP candidate are down played and softened by the left and MSM if it is a DNC candidate.