 
											I bow out of this thread, my message has gotten nowhere and also is taken as insult. I have far more important duties to attend to, and there is too much time to be wasting on those who consider the Gospel foolishness. Jesus said, that if they will not hear His words, they will not hear those who teach it, furthermore He stated that many will be "offended" because of His word. My job is to evangelize, and to spread the Gospel to those who have the heart to listen without taking offense at it. My work is done here. These are not my words, but the words spoken from the breath of God through His servants, if any man is offended, take it up with God.
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Cor 4:3,4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
God Bless!
I am sorry, but it was rape.
We do not worship the same God. Your God has no son named Jesus Christ who was crucified on the cross for the forgiveness of sins.
More than one god? Oh yes, there are many Gods. They are false gods, but people think they are gods nonetheless.
And science can say anything it wants to. Science is something of man, not of God.
I don't know how old women were when they married in Biblical times, I admit. But, I can pretty much guarantee they weren't six or 9 years old.
When was the Qu'ran written BTW? Who wrote it? Can you give me your take on it?
I would just like people to acknowledge that there are some things that we do not know, and will never know.
And when someone tells me that the Koran is the perfect and final word of God...
There is only one way forward, and that is using our powers of observation; and thinking rationally and critically about what we observe. Thats why God gave us a brain.
Who was Mohammed? No evidence at all. the Koran makes more reference to Moses and Noah.
Who wrote the Koran? Not Mohammed, he was according to Muslim tradition illiterate. But surrounded by scribes apparantly, who wrote down all he said and did.
Islamic tradition tells us that Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca. Yet mosques built hundreds of years after the death of Mohammed have prayer niches directed north to Jerusalem not Mecca.
Yet NOTHING survives.
If the Koran is the final and perfect word of God how is it that fragments of the earliest Koranic scripts found in the loft space of the Great Mosque at Sana'a differ from the current authorised version? And have segments of text erased and over written?
Textual analysis shows the language used in the Koran owes its origins to the Talmud.
"Mohammed's God endorsed a policy of conquest, instructing his believers to fight against unbelievers wherever they may be found. In short Mohammed had to conquer, his followers liked to conquer, and his deity told him to conquer"
That is scholarship. That is applying brain power to observable evidence.
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											im filled up with islam (and all other religion) i say if you belive its ok. but keep it for your self.
religion i think are for people who cant fill out there life,and who are afraid of the death.
wake up!! there is nothing for you after the death, we will all rotten and be a part of the earth, and thats good i think.
so forget all about paradise and all that crap, live your life and don't waste it. you are not put to earth so you can spend all your time to think about what happens when you are death????????thats to stupid don't you think
We have people like muslims and budist there are using all there life to pray to someone they never have seen????they only have read about them.wtf.are they thinking about?? the country they live in is falling apart, and still all they do is to pray???that what i call stupid.
where i live we don't have nature disasters like that, but theres not many believers here to. hmm maby you have a god there...but then you do something wrong i think... ´with all that punishment you get from him....
The main arguments that give philosophers and theologies the evidence that there is no God is mainly because of the many, many, many, many contradictions that support such claims. For instance, we can say that an object can be red all over, but that same object can't be red and black all over. This would contradict the logic and sense of what the object actually is. This gives birth to the Argument from Evil that reveals an evil God, totally opposed to what a lot of people think: for example, an innocent little girl (about six years old) is trapped in a room engulfed in fire. The little girl desperately gets on her knees, closes her eyes and begins to ask God to save her. The girl dies consumed by the fire. Why didn't God save her? If God could not hear her, he's not omnipresent. If God could hear her but didn't want to save her, He's not all good. If God could hear her, wanted to help her but couldn't, He's not all powerful. This means that if God exists He's all three, which means He doesn't exist.
Another example is the Book of Job (if you have read it) that reveals a sadistic, selfish God who makes a wager with the devil trying to prove Job's faithfulness by inflicting leprosy, killing all his children, and making him a vagabond, and rewards him later by giving him more than he ever had. If this is the characteristic behavior of a good God, then there is a contradiction of what the Bible tries to depict Him as the all-good, moral God. God's actions give a bad moral example to humanity, which tells us that we must do "good" not because we have to, but because of what he can give us in return; that we must do the things that please him, not because they're the right things to do, but because we desperately want the salvation of our souls. And why do we have to believe in Him anyway? Why can't we just do the right things without believing in him? Why is it very important to Him? Why is it that if we don't believe in Him, we most likely end up in Hell for all eternity? Other arguments among others that prove God's nonexistence are the Allegory of the Cave, The Invisible Gardener, and Socrate's The Apology.
Look guys. There is proof of the existence of God (Creator). And it is not so complicated that no one can understand. Here it is.
When we look around us at everything we can sense one factor is shared by these things, and that is that they are all limited. By limited we mean that they have restrictions, a starting point and an ending point, and they all have definable attributes, i.e. they are finite. Man is born and he dies. There is no one alive who will not die. During his life span, he will grow to a certain shape, height and volume. The universe is defined as all the celestial bodies and planets. All these objects have a certain mass, shape, volume and so on. The life span of a star may be very long, but a point in time will come when it will cease to exist.
The universe is large, but is still a 'finite' space. NO scientist could ever prove using hard facts that the universe has no bounds. In fact when they say the universe arose from a Big Bang and is expanding they inherently admit it is finite in size, otherwise it could not expand! There is nothing in reality which is unlimited. No matter how hard we try, man is unable to find anything unlimited around him. All he can perceive is the finite and limited.
A further attribute of everything around us is that they are all needy and dependent in order to continue existing. They are not self sustaining or independent. Man has needs. He has to satisfy in order to survive. He has organic needs. Man must eat and drink if he is to survive. If he does not he will die. We see need and dependency in plants and animals. They depend On other parts Of the food chain for their existence. The water cycle is dependent On the sun, which is dependent on the laws of the galaxies and of burning mass, and SO on... Nothing man can perceive is self-subsistent. So things exist, but do not have the power of existence. They cannot control when they die or when other bodies die. There is one fact that emerges from all this. If something is limited and finite, and does not have the power to be self-subsistent then it must have been created.
Applying this to everything we see will bring us to a conclusion. If everything in the universe is created because it has not the power of being in existence on its own, and is finite and limited, then there must be a Creator. This Creator by contrast has to be unlimited and not needy and dependent on anything to bring It into, or sustain It's existence.
The universe; the sum of finite and dependent objects is finite and dependent -but dependent on what? Dependent on something to start and sustain life, something to plan and develop life. The only rational and intellectual solution to the question Of creation is that there is a Creator which has accounted for all that we see and perceive. Rational tells us that nothing can be created without a creator. Ultimately there must be a Creator who is unlimited in every aspect.
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Since everything in the universe is limited, it must mean that it didnt exist at one point. Thus it had to be created. God did it.
I did not write this. But I have taken a class which explained it very similarly. If u have any questions, ofcourse reply.
and we see that Allah never gives victory to Muslims.
So if he doesn't save the girl from the fire and doesn't give victory to Muslims, it means that God functions in another way as according to what is bad or good to man.
It isn't sufficient to state that God exists but every believer must also prove that his idea of God is the true one.
Firstly at a sub atomic level, particles are created "out of nothing".
because at a larger scale we are not used to the idea of something out of nothing, it does not negate theprinciple
Secondly if the universe is finite, is God part of it or not? If God is part of the universe, then who created God witht the Universe?
It may be that its convenient to concentrate all that we do not and perhaps cannot know in the concept of God. But to therefore go on to describe what he is like, what he approves of and does not and what we must do to keep on ther ight side of him is just silly. How can you possibly know?
Just stating that the universe is finite proves the existence of God is facile.
do you think Islam is an evil religion?
 
 