Thank you
mansio for your comments,
mansio wrote:and we see that Allah never gives victory to Muslims.
Sure? God (Allah in Arabic) indeed gave, gives and will give victory to Muslims. But there are conditions for this:
"O ye who believe! If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly"[Glorious Qur'an 47:4]. It means that we have to obey and implement the laws of our Lord so that He gives us victory. Moreover, we have to reform ourselves and abstain from sins so that we succeed:
"Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves"[Glorious Qur'an 13:11]
mansio wrote:So if he doesn't save the girl from the fire and doesn't give victory to Muslims, it means that God functions in another way as according to what is bad or good to man.
First, the example of the girl is not a specific one (what's her name, when and where was she burned, was she Muslim or not...).
Secondly, when God does something, even if it appears to us to be bad, it surely is good because God decrees nothing but good.
Here is an example I gave to Steve in a previous discussion: imagine a believing mother who looses her beloved child. It's a most inimaginably difficult event for her. We, as humans, may think it's a bad thing.
Yet, if the mother is patient, enduring without protest or complaint, if she praises her Lord (Allah) who gave her that child, if she accepts the Decree of her Creator: she will be awarded the eternal, ever-lasting Paradise where she can meet her child again. So definitely it was a good thing for her.
mansio wrote:It isn't sufficient to state that God exists but every believer must also prove that his idea of God is the true one.
I agree with you. Nice point.
Thank you
Steve for your comments,
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Firstly at a sub atomic level, particles are created "out of nothing".
First, you agree that particles are "created" and I appreciate that.
Secondly, how were particles created? by chance? or rather there is a mechanism which brought them into existence?
In Islam, we believe that Allah is the
only one who can create things out of nothing.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:because at a larger scale we are not used to the idea of something out of nothing, it does not negate theprinciple
But the larger scale is also important. It helps us understand how Powerful is God who can bring atoms together in a perfect manner to form large and complex things.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Secondly if the universe is finite, is God part of it or not? If God is part of the universe, then who created God witht the Universe?
God is unlimited in every aspect, God is beyond our imagination.
Who created God? no one. Because God is "The First" (Al-Awwal): the First to exist, the First Creator...
"He begetteth not, nor is He begotten"[Glorious Qur'an 112:3].
"He is the First and the Last"[Glorious Qur'an 57:3].
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:It may be that its convenient to concentrate all that we do not and perhaps cannot know in the concept of God. But to therefore go on to describe what he is like, what he approves of and does not and what we must do to keep on ther ight side of him is just silly. How can you possibly know?
I agree with you that we are unable to know everything about Allah:
"Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth."[Glorious Qur'an 2:255].
But Allah sent Messengers and revealed books to clarify and explain "the concept of God" to humanity. All Praise be to Allah, He does not neglect us (even if He is The Self-Sufficient and does not need anything) because He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Does man think that he will be left uncontrolled, (without purpose)? "[Glorious Qur'an 75:36]
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Just stating that the universe is finite proves the existence of God is facile.
Everything in the universe is limited and dependent (on other things). The universe itself is finite and dependent. So, the universe must have been created. The Big Bang and the distribution of matter in the universe must have been planned. Allah is the Creator and the Planner...
Questions on Islam are most welcome.
And Allah knows best.