Thank you
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You told englishmajor that:
??????? wrote:That just gives me the relief of not having to waste my time trying to convince you.
If you were 100% convinced of you belief as the absolute truth, you would have tried to convince the others until the end.
As Muslims, we will try to present Islam to others as best we can until we die.
??????? wrote:Actually "all" Christians apply this. Those who do not apply this are not Christians, since the word Christian is defined as someone who follows Christ and His teachings.
This creates a problem: If a person applies 99% of Christ teachings and don't apply 1%, is he an apostate (according to you)?
If those who don't love their enemies are apostates, the number of "true Christians" would be very small indeed.
??????? wrote: And while we are on the subject of loving our neighbours, care to explain why the Quran displays prejudice towards Christians and Jews, and even slanders Christians?
Chapter 5, verse 51 of the Quran wrote:
O, you who believe [in the message of Muhammad], do not take Jews and Christians as friends. They are friends to one another, and the one among you who turns to them is of them.
Truly, God does not guide wrongdoing folk.
Now you may argue that "friends" (awliya) refers to protectors or guardians, however that is still a false accusation
First, I would advise you to use the following translation of the Glorious Qur'an:
Holy Qur'an
Secondly, our Guardian and Protector is our Creator, we rely on him. We also rely and collaborate with those who share our belief, namely Muslims. If a Muslim relies on a non-muslim, then he's disobeying God.
??????? wrote:however that is still a false accusation. Since Christians who risk life and limb to protect sinners and even muslims out of love for them completely disproves that verse in the Quran. I have muslim friends, and I would risk my life for them if I had to.
1) The verse from the Holy Qur'an you quoted, is a call far the believers not to take Jews or Christians their awliya, now if you pretend you can risk your life for Muslims, and a Muslim takes you as "walii" (protector), then he's disobeying the commandment of his Creator, and the verse is valid.
2) With all my due respect, if you, together with all Christians, together will all non-muslims of the world try to find an error in the Glorious Qur'an, you'll waste your time and won't find any.
??????? wrote:Actually the Creator you claim as mines is not what I accept, since I don't believe that the God of the Quran is the same God as the God of the Bible.
Since I have absolutely no doubt that Allah (God) created you, I'll without any hesitation still call Him "your Creator".
??????? wrote:What is interesting is the similarities between the Quran and Mormonism, both claim to have received another doctrine from an "angel" who claims to be a servant of God.
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) received the revelation from God almighty throught the angel Gabriel (peace be upon him), who was also present in the previous revelations.
while Christians do not believe in the best of mankind [Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)], Muslims believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is one of the best Messengers and Prophets of God almighty.
??????? wrote:An imperfect state? I challenge you to show me the imperfections of Jesus!
I accept the challenge: when Jesus was in a human state, wasn't he in need of oxygen? isn't this an imperfection? wasn't he in need of food? isn't this an imperfection? didn't he (as Christians pretend) die on the cross? isn't this an imperfection?...
??????? wrote:Then please do the same for the bible, because you have demonstrated thus far that you lack understanding when it comes to interpreting certain passages in context.
I thank you for your advise. But, the details of the Christian belief are explained in the Holy Qur'an, especially in the Chapters of "The Family of 'Imran (ch3)", "The Table(ch5)" and "Mary(ch19)".
??????? wrote:If you read the entire bible, you would not have asked that question. Truth is established and understood when taken as a whole, not in bits and pieces.
While you say this, I personally welcome any question from your part on Islam. It is my duty to present what I believe in.
??????? wrote:Then wouldn't it be wise to try and seek the knowledge of scriptures without being bias to it? I have ascertained from your previous posts that you haven't studied the scriptures quite well. Would you consider in all honesty reading just the New Testament alone and doing an in-depth study on it, and applying it to your life and see if any positive results will manifest? Anyone can read the scriptures and will still lack understanding because it is not applied to their life. Jesus said that the "Spirit of Truth" will reveal the absolute truth to you, and that this spirit of truth will reside within you. However this is not done unless one believes that Jesus died for their sins and that He is LORD. In other words, according to the scriptures, a person will continue to strive against the truth contained in scriptures and deny its validity because the "Spirit of Truth" does not abide in them because they reject the Son of God.
When I compare the nature of people who convert from Islam to Christianity with those who revert from Christianity to Islam, I can see the following:
1) From Islam to Christianity: people with very little knowledge and sometimes very poor people who are (excuse-me) paid to leave their religion. Generally, the number of people who quit Islam to Christianity is a small one.
2) From Christianity to Islam : important personalities, people of knowledge, scholars, missionaries... and the number of people who quit Christianity to Islam is a huge one.
This really discourages me of applying your advice (I thank you btw for issuing it). I rather prefer spending my precious time calling my brothers/sisters in humanity to the absolute truth, which is Islam.
You can refer, in this same thread, to my discussions with Steve on the integrity of the Glorious Qur'an manuscript.
Regarding your link, the fact that the last verses of Surah Tawbah were revealed in Makkah is not a problem, since the order of the Holy Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by God. For example: the first revealed chapter in Makkah (which is Surah Alak), is the chapter 96 of the Holy Qur'an. The order of the chapters was commanded by Allah.
Secondly, the mathematical operations mentioned in your link do not have anything to do with the validity of the Holy Qur'an which is a book of guidance to all the humanity.
??????? wrote:
Thats completely absurd, I can ask you the same question. How do you know that human beings who are capable of "error" have infallibly translated the Quran from its original manuscript correctly? Not trying to sound rude, but every muslim thus far has posed the same question to deny that Jesus is the Son of God, and that is what if the bible has copyists errors? The first translation of the Hebrew Old Testament into another language was called the Septuagint, Seventy scholars were brought to Alexandria, Egypt, to create this Greek translation. The work began around 280 B.C and was completed about 100 years later. This work is significant to us because it proves the Old Testament was canonized by this time. It is also important because its agreement with the original Hebrew text shows the translators took great care to create an accurate work. I can give you an entire history of how accurate the bible is and then ask you how certain are you in regards to the accuracy of the Quran, since men are not infallible?
My objective was not to hurt your feelings, but you wrote with your own keyboard that the story of Ahaziah was "the result of a copyists error". So do you have any proof that the "major doctrines" of Christianity also are not? That's simply my question.
Concerning the Holy Qur'an, as I said before, we already discussed on this thread the authenticity and integrity of the Glorious Qur'an. Your Creator says:
"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). "[Glorious Qur'an 15:9]
??????? wrote:Once again, that is your belief and there are many others who claim their belief is true, does this make it any truer? If a father tells his son that the stove is hot, can the son know for certain that the stove is indeed hot? Unless the scriptures are actually "applied" to the persons life, it won't ring any truer to an atheist or a satanist.
All Praise be to God, many people are reverting to Islam every day only throught reading the Glorious Qur'an, and for sure this will continue in the future.
??????? wrote:so be it, but regardless of what people believe in, all will meet their maker. And I stand firm to what the scriptures state
On the Day of Judgement, our Creator will judge who is right and who is wrong.
??????? wrote:Furthermore, I am willing to bet that God in His "foreknowledge" entrusted men capable of providing us with an accurate enough translation to live by and to save our souls from death.
I agree with you. God almighty sent Messengers and revealed books to guide humanity. And the last and final revelation was to Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), and whosoever follows him, will save herself/himself from Hell.
??????? wrote:Its only when people willingly, deliberately, and biasedly look for a reasons to reject the authenticity of the scriptures that their hearts become hardened to its truth.
It is not the question of willingly, deliberately, and biasedly rejecting the Scriptures. We want the truth to prevail over falsehood:
"And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."" [Glorious Qur'an 17:81]
When you find that a book has many errors, then you have doubts that this particular book is 100% the word of God.
??????? wrote:I noticed that you capitalized "NOT", doesn't that seem a tad bias? Perhaps I can tell you that I "believe" the Quran a big whopper and the greatest deception and most cunning and beguiling manipulative masterpiece the devil has ever accomplished, would you respect my opinion? Obviously not. If you believe that the Bible is not the truth, then it is obviously a lie and NOT of God, doesn't sound too respectable, does it?
My comment "it is NOT the truth" was on "Jesus son of God", not on the whole Bible. As I said before, the Bible may contain the word of God, but it also contains words of Prophets,
historians as well as many scientific errors and internal contradictions. Pray explain that one: How many fighting men were found in Israel? (1) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9). Or (2) One million, one hundred thousand (1 Chronicles 21:5).
Secondly, you can criticize the Glorious Qur'an as you want, but remember that you will meet your Creator on the Day of Judgement,
"The Day whereon neither wealth nor sons will avail, But only he (will prosper) that brings to Allah a sound heart;"[Glorious Qur'an 26:88-89]
??????? wrote:Forgive me if I am being obtuse but I'm not sure what your trying to tell me and what the so-called argument is? Do you have something against priests not being allowed to marry, or having to have sons?
Why does Christianity prevent priests from their natural desires (marriage, having children), doesn't this go against the nature that God created in people? And also, why does Christianity prevent priests from marrying and having sons (because it maybe goes against their purity) and then attributes sons to God (who is the Most Pure and is far from any imperfection)?
And Allah knows best.