A "Fuming" John Kerry

thanks for pointing that out mysteryman. he should indeed be listed. that's what i get for cut and paste. as foxy pointed out there are probably others unlisted as well.

however the point i was making remains clear, don't you think ?

foxy, it seems like you don't why rather moderates, like myself, and left of center types dislike people like rush so much.

he beat the draft on the flimsiest of circumstances and has made a career of portrying himself as the most patriotic, most american conservative on the planet. every thing that comes out of his mouth is a bad rap about the liberals this, the liberals that. the anti-war cowards, bla, bla, bla...

to me, his whole routine is really kinda of full of manure, but if he was a real live bad ass warrior with a chest full of medals, at least i'd think he had some right to say the things he does, no matter how misguided i find it to be.

he's a hypocrite.

Well, at least you respect G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North.

liddy...? ehh...

north ? nope, think he's a pinhead. but since he's a vet, it's not hypocritical for him to be all hawkish.

DTOM writes


Sure I do DTOM. Most of the Left hate him because he is so successful at supporting things that are antithesis of everything they believe. You don't hear the same venom and judgmentalism directed at Liddy, Savage, etc. who are far more extreme in their views but don't enjoy the success Rush enjoys.

Some of the moderates dislike him because they are mostly closet lefties and he offends their sensibioities too. (See further notes on that below)

Some of the true centrists dislike him mostly because Rush picks on some people they do support and/or they just dislike his style in general.

Some on the Right dislike him mostly because they don't listen enough to understand the history behind the analogies and phrases Rush uses and thus they misinterpret them and consider him a pompous, egotistical andor hypocritical ass. I think some of those centrists like yourself (you call them moderates but that has too negative a connotation for me)dislike him for much the same reasons. And some just don't appreciate his humor or his style.

There have been times I find Rush going way over the line of good taste and every now and then when he is attempting to be funny, he is downright offensive. But those times are fairly infrequent, and he is nowhere near as offensive as say an Al Francken or a Howard Stern that most of you seem to think are okay.

Rush has been the conservative voice of America for more than two decades now and he enjoys success because he does reinforce so many of the opinions and values that most of those of us on the right support. Until Rush came along, there was nobody out there who was affirming our point of view. We don't develop our views from listening to him (or any other talk show guru.) He has enjoyed more success than any radio talk show in history because he knows what we already believe and he backs us up. Everybody likes to hear their point of view expressed.

(Also he has had one of the best investigative teams in the business for a long time and we have heard stuff on Rush a day or days or weeks before the same stuff made it onto the front page or nightly news. I KNOW media sources have him tuned in for their leads. )

I don't listen as regularly as I did when I was on the road all the time--he's on our main news radio station so he's sometimes running in the background. I actually enjoy some of his guest hosts more than him as he has become too predictable to be really informative these days. But he's had a hell of a run. You can't take that away from him.

He's a gasbag who could care less what the results of his rants are as long as the money rolls in.

He's been having a jolly good time pretending to be offended, pretending to be knowledgeable, pretending to offer a realpolitik while smirking at the rubes who offer him dittos without any real understanding of what the meaning of his message is.

Rush is the modern descendant of the snake oil salesman, the toad eaters savior, proffering a fake presence of flag-wrapped sop to the unwashed, but baptised, the proudly unread and profoundly unsophisticated mob who vote for values while getting their pockets picked.



Joe(he's a knife at the neck of democracy)Nation

This is the same Rush Limbaugh who kept telling everyone that Clinton killed Vince Foster-after five investigations.

He actually had millions thinking that he, Rush, was right on top of the investigation, that he was some kind of detective. And his audience ate it up.

He doesn't so much analyze as point the finger at the groups to ridicule and feel superior to. He might not be hate radio, but he started the ball rolling with his constant attacks against "the liberals". The Michael Savages might have increased the fervor, but Rush started things going in that direction.

By the way, it didn't take long for him to get right back into form pointing the finger at others after he was busted for doing Hillbilly Heroin prescriptions, did he? Not to mention leaving Emails and phone messages telling his maid that she damn well better get the stuff he wants.

But as soon as this comes out to light, he has the nerve to try to resume his position as moral judge and jury by saying that he never specifically came out for increased jail time for drug use.

By the way, speaking of the man who so immensely enjoyed Clinton's legal troubles for getting some consenting nookie on the side: how IS Rush's drug case coming? Just asking.

he courts just rejected his appeal about his medical records today.

Oh dear, I'm so sorry to hear that.

I know he has such pull that he got the New York radio station he broadcasts from to allow him to do his show from his home in Florida.

Is there any provision in his contract that requires them to allow him to do it from the state pen?

The Bitch Limbaugh Show..has a nice ring to it. I'd hate for those anal warts to flare up again though. Ouchie.

Jeff Foxworthy for President!!

He can carry the Southern states!!

Keltic wrote


I don't know where you got your information on that one Keltic, but I was on the road a LOT during that period and therefore heard a LOT of Rush. He not only did NOT buy into the rumor mill with Vince Foster, but put Bob Dornan on the air numerous times during that era as well as Dornan subbing as host now and then. Dornan did his own in depth investigation and came away convinced that Vince Foster committed suicide. Rush never had another opinion re how Vince Foster died. Rush did have questions about the repors of other staffers re rapid shuffling of papers, etc. immediatley after Foster's death. Rush also never bought into the "Clinton Chronicles" and other dubious theories. Rush considers most conspiracy theorists to be in his words 'kooks'.

Well, these quotes sure don't sound like Rush thinks Foster committed suicide.

Remember, Foster's body was found in Fort Marcy Park.

These are Limbaugh's quotes:

71) That's why I'm telling you, whoever briefed Janet Reno, start searching Fort Marcy Park [in suburban Northern Virginia where Clinton deputy White House counsel Vince Foster's body was found after he committed suicide], folks. [4/13/04]

72) They [the Clintons] know that -- they're pretty confident Kerry is going to lose and if Kerry wins there's always Fort Marcy Park. So they're rolling the dice on this. [4/15/04]

I have never said Rush didn't make bad jokes. He does. I have even commented on his propensity for 'poor taste' in this thread. But he doesn't falsify information related to any person and he doesn't buy into any conspiracy theories. And he flat out said there was no reason to believe that Vince Foster did not commit suicide.

And I heard Limbaugh on the air, during the Democratic 1996 Convention, sarcastically go on and on about how the Democratic Convention was going to have "Vince Foster tribute"-a remark clearly intended to mean that Foster was the LAST thing the Democrats wanted to own up to as if there is some guilt there.

From what you say, it sound to me like Limbaugh is playing the Disclaimer Game: go on and on about something, then after a whole session, give a short disclaimer about how you didn't really mean it.

So Rush goes on and on saying how much trouble he has with the Vince Foster investigation, thus fueling the ideas of those who say Clinton had him murdered. Then, once in a great while, Limbaugh flat out says that he thinks Foster committed suicide. That said, Limbaugh continues to go on and on making statements that one assumes means that Foster was murdered, without saying so in so many words.

Sorry, the occasional disclaimer does not wipe off the fact that Limbaugh made many, many statements which clearly imply that Vince Foster was murdered.

You must remember, Foxfyre, that the entire commercial radio industry is built around the fact that radio, on the whole, is only listened to in 15 minute chunks by the listeners.

So these little disclaimers Rush throws around get missed by the general population.

A fellow like yourself, on the road listening to Limbaugh continuously, will catch these little disclaimers Rush fits in among the statements which imply that Foster was murdered.

The more conventional listerner will not catch them. Which is why Limbaugh does it the way he does.

KW writes


I'm sorry but you are just plain reporting made up stuff here. I'm not a big Rush fan by any means, but I defend anybody falsely accused - even a liberal Democrat. And as I said, I was a consisent listener during that time, I heard too many conversations between Rush and U.S. senators and congressmen that dispute what you are saying, and I simply know what you're saying is not true. I believe that you have believed it. But it is wrong.

limbaugh is an idiot.

Then once again, please explain these quotes from Limbaugh:.

71) That's why I'm telling you, whoever briefed Janet Reno, start searching Fort Marcy Park [in suburban Northern Virginia where Clinton deputy White House counsel Vince Foster's body was found after he committed suicide], folks. [4/13/04]

72) They [the Clintons] know that -- they're pretty confident Kerry is going to lose and if Kerry wins there's always Fort Marcy Park. So they're rolling the dice on this. [4/15/04]

Those quotes only make sense if the listener assumes that Clinton was behind the death of Vince Foster. And I am sure there are other quotes, too. And then Limbaugh went on for a spell, baiting the Democrats in the 1996 Democratic convention about having a "Vince Foster tribute". I heard that one myself.

These statements only make sense for people who assume that Clinton had a hand in Vince Foster's death.

You may wish to let Limbaugh off the hook by trying to ascribe these quotes to Limbaugh's sense of humor, but the fact is, the quotes speak for themselves.

KW,
I am wondering something about those quotes.
Where did you get them? In what context were they made? Where is the WHOLE quote,and the discussion going on at the time?

I can pull partial quotes from anyone and make them seem to say exactly what I want them to.


Also,why are you and others so quick to applaud when the court ruled against him?
The prosecutor wants to examine his medicalmrecords to see if he MIGHT have committed a crime.
The govt wants to be able to look at library and banking and medical records (its called the Patriot Act),and all of you oppose that.

That seems hypocritical to me.