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A "Fuming" John Kerry

 
 
kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 07:33 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Gore. Nah. He invented the internet, you know.


Excuse me, but Gore pushed legislation which was instrumental in taking the then-tiny,almost unknown internet up to the point where it was poised to become what it is today.

The internet started off as just a small communications system for one part of the scientific/academic community, then went through several important stages over years to become the household utility it is today. Gore was intrumental in pushing legislation at one of those stages to enable the internet to grow into the all-encompassing communications system that it now is.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 07:44 pm
JustWonders wrote:

Except to lie about the draft, that is.


The draft? You must be kidding.

Kerry was in VietNam taking bullets while Bush and Father was hatching the plan to get Bush trained in the National Guard for a plane which, when he graduated flight school, would be already phased out of combat.

Neat trick. Bush Jr gets lots of pictures in a flight suit, but no chance of getting shot at.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 07:49 pm
Kerry campaigned on the lie that the draft would be immediately reinstated if Dubya was re-elected.

Remember?

Someone should tell him that whining that "he was robbed" in the last election didn't do Al Gore any good either. Maybe his rich wife could buy him a clue Smile
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 07:49 pm
Anybody who would compare cringing coward Bush to Kerry has their facts all wrong. This **** about Kerry is one of the big lies of the last campaign the media helped foist on the electorate.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 07:58 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Kerry campaigned on the lie that the draft would be immediately reinstated if Dubya was re-elected.


Dubya's second term is still young.

How do you know it won't be reinstated, especially since Geroge II is talking about Iran in the same tones that he first talked about Iraq?

Where are the troops going to come from?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 08:03 pm
Ahhhhh, so to Kerry and the Dems, immediate really means 'sometime in the future'? Hmmmm.

<He spent Christmas in Cambodia, you know>

Smile
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 08:30 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Ahhhhh, so to Kerry and the Dems, immediate really means 'sometime in the future'? Hmmmm.

<He spent Christmas in Cambodia, you know>

Smile


Just wondering where the quote is stating Kerry said Bush would immediately
re-instate the draft if elected.
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recklesssarcastic
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 08:40 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Hillary in a walk. Low voter turn out. Lose the South completely. The Southern conservative is not voting for a black woman. Period.


Actually, I think that the southern conservative would rather vote for any conservative, be it black, hispanic, or whatever, especially if they were against gays, rather than a liberal. Trust me, I live down south(blah), and especially since condi is from Alabama, they are gonna vote for her...sure there are sume racist people now but, mainly, the southerners are all riled up against the liberals, which apparently is some sort of swear word or really mean insult to conservatives....and considering that they hate the clintons, and especially hilary, It would work out for condi.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 09:19 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Ahhhhh, so to Kerry and the Dems, immediate really means 'sometime in the future'?

Yes, as the other poster stated, please show me the quote where Kerry says Bush is going to reinstate the draft immediately. Please do that.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 09:35 pm
JustWonders wrote:
<He spent Christmas in Cambodia, you know>

Smile


He spent Christmas a hell of a lot closer to Cambodia than Bush did. Bush and his father fixed it so that bush would be trained stateside to fly a plane that was scheduled to be phased out of combat right at the time Bush graduated flight school.

You have to admit, that was a cute move.

Especially when Kerry spent his time in the service getting shot at-in unarmored boats.

Yet, the Bushies actually think they have the right to question Kerry's service. Here's Bush, a guy that nobody can trace where he was in the Guard for whole months at a time, that doesn't show up for physical-thereby voiding the hundreds of thousands of dollars the service spent training him-with nobody saying anything.

Just one of those things-Bush doesn't show up for the physical, so he doesn't get clearance to fly the plane the guard spent several hundred thousand dollars to train him to fly.

But of course, Bush's Daddy being a Congressman doesn't have anything to do with that, right?

If the son of a punch press operator misses his physical, thereby making him ineligible to fly the plain they just spent a fortune to train him on, the Guard would just let him go the way they let Bush go. Right.

Sure, it would really happen like that.
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recklesssarcastic
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 10:23 pm
hey and whatabout that novak guy...the idiot who gave away a spy's cover....He was like, "the crew john kerry saved had only been with him for five weeks, and the man he rescued form the river, he had only known for 2 days". Jon Stewart made fun of him saying, "because it is such cowardice to save a total stranger." hehehe I love jon stewart
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 10:48 pm
Chrissee writes
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I have to wonder why anyone would post anything on this forum from the NY Post.


Well, that's where the article was. If it has been published in Salon, I"m sure JW would have posted it anyway.

Debra writes
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I would definitely vote for Hillary Clinton.

She appears to understand that the majority of citizens are moderates and abhor extremism. If she starts early enough -- inventing her own anti-extremism buzz phrases to catch the attention of the SHEEP -- I'm sure most of them would choose to graze on her side of the pasture rather than graze with the extremists.

Extremists: The hypocritical, self-ordained "people of faith" who are now ranting and raving because the rest of us don't want to dine on their less than benevolent, self-serving message of exclusion and oppression.


Hillary is already catering to the Religious Right. Excerpted from report of April 8, 2005 speech:
"Those of us who are people of faith are so aware of what that means in our lives that it is sometimes a challenge for us to understand our obligations to make space for nonbelievers," Sen. Clinton, who was elected to a six-year Senate term in 2000, said, addressing an audience of more than 200. This is the third annual religious liberty dinner sponsored by the IRLA and Liberty magazine; all three have been held in the historic Senate Caucus Room on Capitol Hill. . .

.Sen. Clinton said, "With 14 million church members worldwide and 1 million here in the United States, you understand very well the importance of religious freedom and freedom of conscience. It is your work, often, on the front lines of religious liberty that helps to tell the rest of the world of the story of the oppressed and in so many ways denied their rights to live and believe as they choose. "
Full story here: http://www.churchstate.org/article.php?id=42

Or this one:
On the eve of the presidential inauguration, US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton last night embraced an issue some pundits say helped seal a second term for George W. Bush: acceptance of the role of faith in addressing social ills.

In a speech at a fund-raising dinner for a Boston-based organization that promotes faith-based solutions to social problems, Clinton said there has been a "false division" between faith-based approaches to social problems and respect for the separation of church of state.

"There is no contradiction between support for faith-based initiatives and upholding our constitutional principles," said Clinton, a New York Democrat who often is mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008.". . . .

(Somebody teach me how to convert the web address to a single word "LINK" or "SOURCE" or whatever so I don't stretch the page with a long one.)

MM Writes
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Hillary vs Condi Rice for President.
Who would win?
Either way,it would be fun to watch.


I've been saying that since Condi's grilling by the 9/11 Commission and when it became more and more apparent that Hillary is looking to make her run for it in 2008. Smile

Blueveinedthrobber writes
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Hillary in a walk. Low voter turn out. Lose the South completely. The Southern conservative is not voting for a black woman. Period.
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Kerry took too much time to find his voice, when he did he did well at the end.


I think it was precisely when Kerry found his voice that he proceeded to shoot himself in the foot, again and again and again. Smile

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Excuse me, but Gore pushed legislation which was instrumental in taking the then-tiny,almost unknown internet up to the point where it was poised to become what it is today.


I don't see Al Gore's picture here:
http://www.wiwiw.org/pioneers/index.html

Or his name included anywhere in the summary of the history of internet here
http://www.historyoftheinternet.com/preface.html

And here is the most charitable summary I could find of Al Gore's involvement with the internet
http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/

Chrissy writes
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Just wondering where the quote is stating Kerry said Bush would immediately
re-instate the draft if elected.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 01:09 am
recklesssarcastic wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Hillary in a walk. Low voter turn out. Lose the South completely. The Southern conservative is not voting for a black woman. Period.


Actually, I think that the southern conservative would rather vote for any conservative, be it black, hispanic, or whatever, especially if they were against gays, rather than a liberal. Trust me, I live down south(blah), and especially since condi is from Alabama, they are gonna vote for her...sure there are sume racist people now but, mainly, the southerners are all riled up against the liberals, which apparently is some sort of swear word or really mean insult to conservatives....and considering that they hate the clintons, and especially hilary, It would work out for condi.


Never.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 02:44 am
if things keep going the way they are, not one person closely connected to bush administration will be elected to any office.
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recklesssarcastic
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 02:31 pm
BlueVeinedThrobber: While I repect that you think that, you don't know the south like I do. I live in the "heart of dixie", and daily am immersed into redneck culture and politics. If an alien ran as a republican, and was against gays, then they would vote for him....The only time race plays a factor would be if a middle eastern person ran...plus, republicans hate the clintons...simple as that...
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 02:41 pm
I gotta go along with reckless,there's a hellof a lot more overt and subliminal racism upnorth in Yankee land.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 02:43 pm
recklesssarcastic wrote:
The only time race plays a factor would be if a middle eastern person ran....


you forgot nascar Laughing yeah, yeah, i know pitiful attempt.

your comment does have a large degree of truth. when i was growing up in the south, things were really changing. even though blacks and whites were already used to being around each other, within the space of just a few years the whole dynamic changed except for a few relics that hated anybody that wasn't just like them.

seeing as how i still go down home to visit my family fairly often (now living even farther in the south), it is glaring to me when i return home just how much better race relations are in the south than in l.a.

sound strange ? trust me. it is...
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 05:20 pm
The only time I noticed a difference in race relations between 2 different places, had to do with a trip I took to Ohio with my wife to see my parents. We lived in Cali where an interracial couple is common. We went to a home improvement store and we got funny looks. It was the only time I have walked around with my wife and felt uncomfortable.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 09:27 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
Ahhhhh, so to Kerry and the Dems, immediate really means 'sometime in the future'?

Yes, as the other poster stated, please show me the quote where Kerry says Bush is going to reinstate the draft immediately. Please do that.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2005 09:38 pm
Chrissee wrote:
kelticwizard wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
Ahhhhh, so to Kerry and the Dems, immediate really means 'sometime in the future'?

Yes, as the other poster stated, please show me the quote where Kerry says Bush is going to reinstate the draft immediately. Please do that.


There were severel times during the debates where it was mentioned and Bush had to state numerous times that there wasn't going to be a draft. It was very slick of the Dems to start thes and then the guy who started it didn't even vote for it. It goes to show that the Dems play evil political games with the people.
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