If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

A few of us did! Thank god.

Your cute little image seems to confer a moral high ground to atheism.

A bit arrogant, wouldn't you say?

Not to mention credulous.

At least JP is not a hypocrite like many of religion who preach "brotherly love," but can turn around and do the most atrocious actions against their fellow brothers and sisters.

Human history is replete with religious' atrocities against "others," and even the bible tells us about a god who believes in killing the innocent. The "flood" killed newborns and many innocent people.

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And a finger pointer is what? If ignorance is virtue it is folly to be wise...

Luke 12:56 KJV
Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

Comment: How can you be such a know it all and not know God CI?

To quote Neo, with friends like you God needs no enemies..

Your reasoning, typical of religionists, doesn't top that chimp...

Again, it shows that your knowledge about religion is very limited and faith is a concept that has been inculcated to you..

Yes, you get your lessons from bathroom walls... I need not pretend to be wiser. Atheists are the blind leading the blind, from my stand point it is purely amusement.

Who needs to get a life?

You, apparently, as you need your big brother to lead the way.

Can you live on your own, with your own thoughts, without the scouts guide?

Well we disagree completely... the Bible is ambiguous. What do you call a book with two different sets of laws? Old and new testaments?

It only leads people to confusion...

These are the old laws that are divine Thous shalt not infinitum... and here is the contradictory new laws that are well also divine.

And by the way we are now free indeed from the law so here are some more laws...

There is so much ambiguity in the Bible it is disingenuous. The greatest sin is believing in the bible literally.

Saved by grace not by works but faith without works is empty. That implies the holy spirit is empty. Then why is an empty spirit holy?

Is God empty?

No, fundamentalism is empty...

He who preaches hell will find hell first...

I am not so proud to pretend I know all there is to know. I do not stick my head in the sand and use as my mantra "there is no God".

I don't know if there is or is not a God that is why I place God in the realm of faith not fact.

Yet you have convinced yourself that the universe popped out of a balloon and if that is alright with you then so be it.

Yet you then seem pious and self proud and I find prudence more to be humble and forgiving and full of humility toward others who exercise the same in mutual charity.

The fruit of humble faith is humility, the fruit of atheism is self glorification.

I choose humility over self glorification. I may make empty claims to be God but I also claim God is zero.

Only when we humble ourselves to the creator do we find the value of God.

You are now trying to show a "good person"side, when a little while ago you were accusing others of spitting venom.

That's what I call the typical christian hypocrisy.

If you were a quite reasonable person, you would have noted (but not unduly inferred) that I didn't say that god doesn't exist. Instead I said that god is not necessary and is indeed harmful to humankind.

Pretending to be more humble than others is a form of self-glorification..

I was taught the god of this world caused the flood (even if the flood was not literal) but the one true God saved Noah.

CI the flood is real when you want to call God a murderer and not real when you want to deny God?

Who is the hypocrite?

It was you who attacked me as If the world does not need a big brother... Belittling me for relying on something possibly greater than myself... and I simply pointed out the source of your attack is born out of a blind denial of a big brother for self glorification.

God is not necessary? Who are you to decide that? Would you like others to think you are not necessary?

Would the material world exist without the work of the creator? Science does not know that answer, do you? If I was unfeeling I am sorry. I don't want to insult or belittle anyone. I am just as unknowing as anyone else.

Yes my faith is exactly that, faith and not fact. Perhaps one day zero will become one.. Until that day faith shines in the darkness.

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Your post is nothing but based on a confused individual. God said all men are sinners, but he saved Noah and not the others?

Yes, your god is a murderer based on the bible; I deny any man-made creation such as santa clause and your jesus/god.

You must learn to make distinctions between fiction and fact.

Superman and Batman are fictional characters. Charles Darwin was a real persona who traveled to the Galapagos Islands on the HMS Beagle. All these characters were introduced to me in books.

Is that a self portrait? You can accuse me of having my head in the clouds but the self worshiping atheist that you profess to be, I would change those pants...

RR, If you believe that's a self-portrait, you understand absolutely nothing about physics. Why don't you try taking a self-portrait in that position? I dare you!

CI you can point your finger at the billions of people of faith but you have three pointing back at yourself.

As I said I believe in many of the biblical messages but I do not believe in the literal fundamental interpretation of the Bible. You simply believe in your pig headed self. Does it make you feel even bigger to insult God almighty? It seems so... I am not endorsing nor denying I am simply pointing out that God (if God exists) is silent at this time. Thus I retain the truth without radicalizing it unlike you who radically deny truth...

Your own religion of, "me me me" is going to lead the world to charity and consideration for others? Very unlikely...

While you shut your eyes to truth so you can insult others who are humbled by the greatness of this life, are you not demonstrating your own lack of evolution?

Your lack of evolution is seemingly now a fact not faith on my part... Your own words demonstrate this... Sixty years ago the atom bomb was fiction...

Who is the one who closes their mind to what is beyond our comprehension? The unknown is riddled with fiction but it also contains truth. So what do you do instead of sifting through the wheat you toss it out with the tares... And what is your brain nourished on? Nothing but hot air...