If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

Is anyone going to answer the topics QUESTION?

I talking strictly based on the Bible.
Can't help if you don't believe it.

If there is a Heaven...it certainly makes sense to suppose it was created by the god to "reward" humans who did what the god wanted them to do...and did not do the things it wanted them not to do. (With this god...the "Heaven" could be the size of a local Elks Lodge building...and be adequate.}

If there is a Hell...it certainly makes sense to suppose it was created by the god to "punish" humans who did what the wanted them NOT to do...and who did not do the things it wanted them to do.

What does the supposition that Jesus died for our sins have to do with that? The notion of the sacrifice supposes a totally useless sacrifice.

It's because of the standard of Heaven and Hell. Watch the show The Good Place. There's one episode where they are at the cenrer where people are filed for the Good Place, Bad Place, or Neutral Place. The Neutral Place only has one inhabitant prior to them adding that guy, and the Good Place has not had a person in 700 years. It's like that, only even more extreme. If we were talking about God's standards, not Abraham himself would be faultless.

The point of the sacrifice is to cover the debt of sin that keeps us from getting near Heaven. Without it, all who die are bound for the same place.

None of us deserve the reward, all deserve punishment. Grace is things that are awarded despite being earned.

Leadfoot predicted that something might slip out. This is what it is. That you have a very basic and flawed notion of the how and why of Heaven, Hell, and Jesus. You can work on that.

Or you can sound like a broken record and keep telling ppl they don't know.

Start with the answer to your question by asking, "Why do the creeds talk of how Jesus descended into Hell?" Now some translate this as " the grave" but this misses the point. The point is a jailbreak.

Quote: bulma said-
“The point of the sacrifice is to cover the debt of sin that keeps us from getting near Heaven. Without it, all who die are bound for the same place.”


Frank replied:
Why?

A sin is something that displeases your god. If your god wants to have that "debt" covered, the god could do it any way it wanted to.

But apparently you (and Jesus) felt that your god was of the mind, "I will forgive you for offending me, but first you must torture and kill my son."

If that god where a human demanding that...ALL OF YOU PEOPLE would agree that he should be put into a mental institution.

Of COURSE it has religious meanings attached.
Do you think Christ was referring to such a place?

Oh how strange, that the guy who agrees with him, is on ignore.
Just love the irony

Watch the show.

You know you want to.

Stop using the definitions of half-assed professors who don't study real theology. Start listening when real people tell you your teachers are full of crap.

Sin is defined many different ways by real theological ppl. Ask a word scholar, and they say that the origin of the word actually refers to "trespassing" that is overstepping boundaries ( things like rape and murder; remember, ask for permission before you murder someone). Ask another, and it refers to missing the mark (in the Bible, in Timothy). Ask another, and it's what separates one from God. But the Bible itself mentions that nothing can separate us from the love of God. Ask still another, and they talk about the forbidden machina, and how Sin is really this guy.



While you're watching The Good Place, also play Final Fantasy X. We can NEVER banish sin. We can only stand against it by ridding ourselves of false hopes. Sin will always come back because our approach itself is wrong. You can't earn your way into Heaven through any good deed, you won't get sent to Hell, but you WILL die.

http://www.historymatters.group.shef.ac.uk/finding-jesus-video-games/

You have assumed that my God is offended by any of this. No, no. I AM offended. Your utter lack of curiosity (I feel like you basically live the life that the Buddha was almost subjected to, sheltered from realities and thinking or questioning too much), your terrible lack of insight into places and situations, nah that's just appalling.

You need to watch more anime. I must teach you the weirding way.