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If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 07:40 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I saw the very last episode of The Good Place, my daughter in law was watching it.

I thought it was dreadful. I would have rather seen Sesame Street


Wink
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 07:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
The Good Life is a lot better, and that's a washed out sitcom from the 70s.
theMadOne
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 08:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
Fact is only one book gives us a plausible explanation of this Earth and life on it- and its not a science book!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 08:50 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

The Good Life is a lot better, and that's a washed out sitcom from the 70s.


Better to binge on The Sopranos.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 08:52 am
@theMadOne,
theMadOne wrote:

Fact is only one book gives us a plausible explanation of this Earth and life on it- and its not a science book!


Anyone who thinks that "book" is the Bible...

...should go on the Internet and post with a name like...ahhh...theMadOne, for instance.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 09:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
I've recently watched the entire series with my youngest, followed by Boardwalk Empire. Currently watching Peaky Blinders which is fantastic, Birmingham based organised crime drama set just after WW1.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 10:39 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I've recently watched the entire series with my youngest, followed by Boardwalk Empire. Currently watching Peaky Blinders which is fantastic, Birmingham based organised crime drama set just after WW1.




My wife and I are currently binging on The Sopranos, also.

Actually, I am enjoying it more this time around...than I did when it first ran. The acting is surprisingly good...much better than what I thought when it ran on regular programming.

Boardwalk Empire also had some great performances. We've watched a couple of British crime shows...and enjoyed them...Sherlock, Broadchurch, Midsomer Murders. We loved Downton Abbey. Lots of others.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 10:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
Never watched Downton Abbey, although I know it was very popular, it's not my thing, too sympathetic to the aristocracy.

Peaky Blinders is very working class very gritty, more than Broadchurch even. There's appearances by Winton Churchill in season 1, although he's very much in the background.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 03:54 pm
@theMadOne,
Because Jehovah is playing games with Satan, and in the end decides to end the game and remake the earth in a more JW way? Puh'leez.
theMadOne
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 06:16 pm
@InfraBlue,
Not plating at ALL.
There IS no such thing as hellfire.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 07:06 pm
@InfraBlue,
Sigh, if only you knew.

https://wallpapercave.com/wp/4FOi8Lu.png

God is the Tao. Satan is the Yang (or Yin, depending on how depicted) Jesus is the Yin (or Yang ). God is the nature of reality for unity consciousness, an existence alien to our Knowledge of Good/Evil. Jesus/Satan are an Advocate/Accuser duality. That is, because we see things either in terms of good/evil, light/dark, male/female, we see this as if it were a court case.

But this is a sham trial.

If Jesus died to forgive us, we see Hell because our brains are broken. But the Tao is a whole. Is a tree good? Is it evil? Or is it simply a tree?

Frank, suck it up. This picture is big, it's beautiful, and the way I know of to resize it is to reupload it. It is perfect the way it is. Like we are.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2021 10:42 pm
@theMadOne,
theMadOne wrote:

Not plating at ALL.

Of course they're playing. It's a bet, and in the end Jehovah loses, throws a tantrum and destroys the world and recreates it in the JW way. Jeez.
theMadOne wrote:

There IS no such thing as hellfire.

According to the Bible, there is such a thing as TARTAROS, however.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 01:21 am
@InfraBlue,
You've got the terms of the game wrong.

Quote:
The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.


The wicked receive absolute power for a limited time. What do they do with it? Sing Kumbaya? Join hands and start a love circle? Hell no, they immediately try to oppress the entire world, forcing them to wear a Mark of the Beast or be totally unable to buy and sell. Let's be clear about this, these sick fucks are willing that the entire economy implode, causing untold suffering to people's lives in order to coerce them into a sort of passport system that not only makes people unemployed but renders them unable to buy things.

The method (probably an RFID chip of some sort) tracks people at all times, taking away every last bit of their freedom. It also makes them severely sick (the Bible describes boils, and also the inability to die).

This is not the devil beating God. Satan is on a different level than God and cannot oppose him. More precisely, Satan only accuses us. We ourselves are responsible for evil. Which is the important bit. Regardless of oue rebellion against God, ultimately we cannot overcome him. Lastly, God doesn't "throw a tantrum". We have screwed up our lives with nonsense and should be tossed in lake of fire. The latter section of Revelation has quite a bit about the sort of world that honestly you might like if you stopped struggling with it.

Basically you got the whole thing wrong.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 05:54 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Sigh, if only you knew.

https://wallpapercave.com/wp/4FOi8Lu.png

God is the Tao. Satan is the Yang (or Yin, depending on how depicted) Jesus is the Yin (or Yang ). God is the nature of reality for unity consciousness, an existence alien to our Knowledge of Good/Evil. Jesus/Satan are an Advocate/Accuser duality. That is, because we see things either in terms of good/evil, light/dark, male/female, we see this as if it were a court case.

But this is a sham trial.

If Jesus died to forgive us, we see Hell because our brains are broken. But the Tao is a whole. Is a tree good? Is it evil? Or is it simply a tree?

Frank, suck it up. This picture is big, it's beautiful, and the way I know of to resize it is to reupload it. It is perfect the way it is. Like we are.


There, I fixed it for you.

You are an embarrassment to the Internet.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 06:11 am
@Frank Apisa,
You are embarrassed. Why do the extra effort?

I am not the one ashamed of this. It's just a picture, not a mortal sin.

The Tao represents chillness. "No worries." That no matter how bad you are or how bad things are, there's an upside. Likewise , don't get so cocky because there's always a downside.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 06:50 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

You are embarrassed.


No, I am not embarrassed. Read what I wrote. Try to understand it. There were just a few words. You should be able to manage it.


Quote:
Why do the extra effort?


What are you babbling about here?

Quote:
I am not the one ashamed of this. It's just a picture, not a mortal sin.


What are you babbling about here?

Quote:
The Tao represents chillness. "No worries." That no matter how bad you are or how bad things are, there's an upside. Likewise , don't get so cocky because there's always a downside.


https://pics.me.me/da-hell-you-talking-about-wha-wha-beany-8040418.png
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 08:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
Good scene from season 3 of Peaky Blinders where Thomas Shelby's housekeeper Mary is asking him why he isn't taking his medicine, (morphine.)

Thomas: Do you ever read the Bible Mary?

Mary: Sometimes,why?

Thomas: Do you ever read the Bible standing stark naked in my room next to my bed.

Mary: No.

Thomas: Yesterday after taking my medicine and while still wide awake I saw you standing over me reading from Levitivcus with no clothes on. Do you want to know what happens next?

Mary: No.

Thomas: Neither do I, which is why I poured the morphine away.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 08:16 am
@Frank Apisa,
You are totally embarrassed. Here, have a neon sign.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/8a/92/3d8a92e99bbbaa9170e5e0f93699ea5d.jpg

It should be big, tacky, and glorious.

Everything religious should be big, tacky, and glorious.

That's the point. The world tells us "You're not making enough. You're not trendy. You're not..." Religion says "**** tha police! " and builds a tacky Taoist monastery.

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4KbOqxK-MSF0wMvDleFTn69-c53WjktywdZSt2jGxh_X4FTrCQd4ISJXsjvXseW8_YOxTcpTguwh1AOUWkII3A13MuZXtjc7NW9NklIgE0eZwq5TuJeJg_Xvr--MKyGF9kTCFB03_B0vJiNL1wpTYDqJso9mNKqsKu08hEUOBL2WGZYxJRudzoqSt_Nz4zeQ_-5dqU-dOfNFxJ0MgoqQgSNG05RWtMM0O9trrsVD47Jk3iWa7obqQN2tHW5FsHXW9zXtxfBWGFGJWyZXMubUDhVQmoa38wdd8mnAT7HGASx_VBACHCnZ6m8wd873jjzZkWoTHBqsdNM0TO_S5A3LPP9vBw1SJ829di_ZZa5u0uIgdKvlXYGUcVjxbpx4lrvto6PZMQui6f5_FF9k4Sj6wVJSSK8lABUs7x9A0bXTaQzP95iBt5-NmKItFbwHPxS9lb9OiDcHrzsWSHdi7_0jpDt7BZwuRdygS0u-5GKC7GPPWSTM_XoZEQJ3QPlc2sm9gyG_F_r5aCb5dIRA1aTDtnRP_G4nO__H_XPpdcld1KyZOMQ8k_BnKkHk0y4J-JxNCa8m3kWehU5t8ZIEhVG3E1EaXPqEyQbrwlKr4rhj0eX2uB7nkI5iU0uYEQEoVO_A72weg_xwf6pjjzqWqCqyiQcaWOl7C_QO8kmZsQN42MwLqPOWKI0I5MgEiA=w994-h662-no
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 09:39 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:


You are totally embarrassed. Here, have a neon sign.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/8a/92/3d8a92e99bbbaa9170e5e0f93699ea5d.jpg

It should be big, tacky, and glorious.

Everything religious should be big, tacky, and glorious.

That's the point. The world tells us "You're not making enough. You're not trendy. You're not..." Religion says "**** tha police! " and builds a tacky Taoist monastery.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3VfMzbSMa6VuM_khcuIoXNBpc0hlSDkyXKohLCUtNUxgoA3N0AIDcr6bsT-pmnS5itQRNo2f7GhhPnOYsSpD3JPonu5jGfSbtWJQ6T9_cwsLTmESymMU7IycESH_SFD8OhC-RY3RLMfsr-S69v2rJHkLwJgdOGRLfHMgQTA6FLihCfgteKojAZqUQaBNxpAnMGJtcy6MCqgvdVQqlovVKkdsmLJmZfzRoRTeHP264ny348xWvuo-RvF_5AebyY_Z0IIH39Bna6dMbveQ0CCe5etKem1x-fLICDNAlm7Plwg3IxYUM6bxGKk0-9TfSis_1cs-4o-ARi9CXP2YWj5iQqgDhOYMj9tDRSiWfScKa6jpriD01ymJmjf1vJV6mGsGONIPs_u3Kv50Zh8DkLefVYB0iA5jeLifGQtP-4msvt3GqMgyGMOPzIDgkl2BzeqWqq_VHk41y3R4NvMFiK4cbFfLm1MOfp5V2FqLkAZjHexyRMDEIzrXesCdEIaHHfHHw7X1qD3eALdY9ds1AVgbQm4usr4QT1aPEY0p5AuTibt8sQfK5gKo-iiVFgrkPb8Yt-IiVJMCKXs1JDEATMY2lbHUNgw2vDrmlq9KKRiJLE43UOzS8oD8iltRnZeJ8cHbxrczD9Mfr5qPVSVgYWzyg7ZgVCDUiHcozHekrPpvt8htvkyuEp6Q94kKRw=w993-h662-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4KbOqxK-MSF0wMvDleFTn69-c53WjktywdZSt2jGxh_X4FTrCQd4ISJXsjvXseW8_YOxTcpTguwh1AOUWkII3A13MuZXtjc7NW9NklIgE0eZwq5TuJeJg_Xvr--MKyGF9kTCFB03_B0vJiNL1wpTYDqJso9mNKqsKu08hEUOBL2WGZYxJRudzoqSt_Nz4zeQ_-5dqU-dOfNFxJ0MgoqQgSNG05RWtMM0O9trrsVD47Jk3iWa7obqQN2tHW5FsHXW9zXtxfBWGFGJWyZXMubUDhVQmoa38wdd8mnAT7HGASx_VBACHCnZ6m8wd873jjzZkWoTHBqsdNM0TO_S5A3LPP9vBw1SJ829di_ZZa5u0uIgdKvlXYGUcVjxbpx4lrvto6PZMQui6f5_FF9k4Sj6wVJSSK8lABUs7x9A0bXTaQzP95iBt5-NmKItFbwHPxS9lb9OiDcHrzsWSHdi7_0jpDt7BZwuRdygS0u-5GKC7GPPWSTM_XoZEQJ3QPlc2sm9gyG_F_r5aCb5dIRA1aTDtnRP_G4nO__H_XPpdcld1KyZOMQ8k_BnKkHk0y4J-JxNCa8m3kWehU5t8ZIEhVG3E1EaXPqEyQbrwlKr4rhj0eX2uB7nkI5iU0uYEQEoVO_A72weg_xwf6pjjzqWqCqyiQcaWOl7C_QO8kmZsQN42MwLqPOWKI0I5MgEiA=w994-h662-no


You are an embarrassment to the Internet, Bulma, and to your "religion."

And...apparently I am causing you to go even further berserk. Shape up...immediately, or I put you on IGNORE. Then you will have nobody at all paying attention to you here in A2K. It will become just like your non-cyber life...a vast emptiness.

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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 11:39 am
@bulmabriefs144,
My reference is JW doctrine, which is what theMadOne seems to be going by.
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