If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

God is zero

Your cat and I are kindred souls....

I don't know too much about Buddhism, from all accounts it is said to be a peaceful religion, seems to be a lot of meditating and that sort of thing involved.

I didn't force my girls to go to church with me either, at times I feel regret about it though. I had a hard enough time just getting them to clean their rooms if they didn't want to and my husband area of strength was not exactly in a position to help with that.

People interpret religious books in the way they want as is evidenced now in this age by militants Muslims. Christians also have since the beginning interpreted scriptures to their own desires. Christianity does not advocate their religion into politics, people do. Hitler whether he was a practicing Catholic or not, interpreted his own brand of Christianity. Jesus never wanted anyone to die by the sword for his death.

Living a good human life is a good concept and is not contradictory to living a christian life.

philosophy having as its asserted aims the transmutation of base metals into gold, the discovery of the panacea, and the preparation of the elixir of longevity.

I has nothing to do with nuclear fission. The sun is not a philosophy.

RR, I'm sure LW provided you with the right definition for alchemy, but you seem completely ignorant about general knowledge and its application to real life. How did your survive for this long?

Well, to be accurate, Ikhnaton used the Sun as a religious philosophy, the first monotheistic cult and he didn't even look like Michael Wilding. Alchemy, of course, is now in disfavor and in basically the same category as the Fountain of Youth and Astrology. Newton was brewing up all sorts of chemical concoctions trying to alter basic elements, creating who knows what kind of toxic fumes in a closed room. Something like that makes one think he was as much an idiot as a genius which could have been his brain cells slowly being destroyed.

Max Born used this phrase in England and he used it in his autobiography: I am now convinced that theoretical physics is actual philosophy…

Comment: Then why not alchemy or even religion? Thus many philosophizes about the position and time of an electron in trying to measure the rate of its uncertainty but God knows its position and needs no philosophy because God is the quanta. Thus God senses the position and speed of the electron by being not only the electron but by also being the space that envelopes it. Together they make the sum and total of the quanta. We can only speculate by measuring the electron in various positions or by calculating the rate of the rate. But only the quanta knows both.

I believe Heidelberg wrote this: The information that the electron carries is limited in its totality. That is for instance, its speed and its position fit together in such a way that they are confined by the tolerance of the quantum.

Comment: Isn't quantum physics the basis for the transmutation of any particle into another partial. Wasn't this ultimately the goal of the alchemist? To understand the atom or quantum of all things?

I am sure alchemists were not only concerned about gold but how to change any substance into another. Just as the Greeks sought to isolate the essence of all matter. Alchemists who derived their learning from the Greeks certainly would not have gone backwards in their perception of science.

Though their terminology was crude their methodology was exact.

And today quantum theory is no more than alchemy in methodology but more precise in terminology. And I also find it rather crude Light Wizard that you use an English dictionary to define an Arabic word such as alchemy.

Proverbs 25:3 KJV The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

Comment and the heart of God as the quanta is unfathomable

Romans 11:33 KJV
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!.

Comment: Uncertainty… The moment we think we know the ways of an all knowing God’s perspective and knowledge of creation and quanta then we will begin to uncreate our own existence from time.

Actually, Akhenaten declared himself the sun god by changing his name to Akhenaten (Aten is the monodeist sun god).

Is it possible to get any further from the topic?

Fear of death is a form of hell on earth. We observe the biblical example of Jesus staring death in the face and (according to the bible) conquering death in his own right. Jesus' story reveals different perceptive realities. In that light this life is an illusion to another reality and perhaps our dreams are the closest thing to heaven this side of eternity. Quality of life is superimposed upon a hidden dream that surpasses our own imagination and perceptible abilities. The torment of hell is another dream that comes as a thief to usurp the dreams that have not yet been awakened in our consciousness.

The supposition that Jesus created hell is erroneous in the first place. Nearly every religion has it's own version of judgment and damnation of the soul.

As long as there are transgressors of collective laws of the people of various cultural times there will be condemnation wrath and judgment of individuals who disobey these laws.

If anything there is a wealth of scriptural reference showing that Jesus did more to save people from hell rather than imputing their sins upon them as a legal zealot of the law...

2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Psalms 68:18 KJV
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive : thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Ephesians 4:8 KJV
Wherefore he saith , When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 2:5 KJV
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Ephesians 2:8 KJV
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Romans 5:9 KJV
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Comment: It seems that Jesus is the deliverance from the death and hell that most other religions prefer to leave their faithful imperiled within without and hope of release. This in itself sets the Jesus story apart from other dogmas that enslave rather than empower. There is victory over death and hell in Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:26 KJV
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Is the earth not God's breeding ground for immortals?

1 Corinthians 15:53 KJV
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Comment: The dead put on incorruption that is a switch from the dead being eternally dammed.

2 Timothy 1:10 KJV
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Mark 12:27 KJV
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living : ye therefore do greatly err .

Luke 24:5 KJV
And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

John 6:51 KJV
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Comment: Jesus doesn't seem to be a source of pure hellfire and brimstone purgatory limbo or anything like that but contrarily a living way to a living God. It is God who dwells within and not sin and our own dark perceptions of what the self really is.

Christian faiths have reversed that ideal so as to impose laws to once again enslave people with sin consciousness disguised as faith rather than to save them from enslavement. I once heard it said that churches are not for perfect people but for sinners. Sinners have a desire for God where perfect people only desire the pride of self and status.

Matthew 5:5 KJV
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

But you don't believe that anyway, right?

I believe in the message of Jesus but I am not sure that I believe in the person of Jesus. Just like I believe in the message of Genesis and the flood but I find reason to doubt the actuality of these recorded events. Just in the first few couple chapters of Genesis there are conflicting creation stories.

I can also post scriptures that show Jesus on the side of the Jewish laws as a law giver and taking vengeance. And the book of revelations has a special place for sinners. We are freed from the law while Paul the apostle in the same breath starts laying down laws that we are supposed to obey.

The ambiguity of the Bible is maybe even a hint from its writers not to take it all too literally. It seems all wisdom is a double edged sword and there is always something to argue against what people claim to be the truth. Even love is ambiguous, nature is ambiguous, God is ambiguous and this is why all I can seem to find that I believe in as a mantra today is "oneness with zero".

Out of tribulations we sometimes find peace and out of peace we sometimes find tribulations. I will leave the judging up to God and hopefully God finds me worthy of grace when the clock of God's timetable strikes midnight.

I've been posting on this board for years saying the Bible is not ambiguous. God's adversary benefits from poor research

but it has many interpretations anywhos. Literal, symbolic, bear witness, truth, lesson, syntactical aspects, interpretation(s), historical, denominational, biblical, rhetorical, and classical - or any combination.

That it has been obfuscated is not the fault of God.

You have been posting your opinion that the bible is not ambiguous...

Others may disagree..

Noted

Of course, others may be wrong . . .

However, there are more opinions than bible's exegetes.

Therefore, opinions are certainly wrong more often..