If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

The "key" is going AWOL when your daddy has all the pull to get you through without any consequence.

It doesnt make sense. Jesus dies so that "all" of us can be saved, yet we still need a place for the un-saved people...Explain.

The "key" is going AWOL when your daddy has all the pull to get you through without any consequence.

Frank, would you agree with the former governor of Minnesota, the legendary Jesse Ventura, who said, "Religion if for weak-minded people."?

I totally agree. As a matter of fact, I coined that phrase long before Ventura ever used it.

Thanx for asking that Intrepid. I just read it like five times and still have no clue.

Ticomaya wrote:

The effects of my beliefs equate with the effects of the beliefs of the terrorists?

YES! YES! YES!

What do you not "get" about that?

You "believe" there is a God. They "believe" there is a God.

You "believe" your god has revealed what it expects of you. They "believe" their god has revealed what it expect of them.

You are doing what you "believe" your god wants you to do. They are doing what they "believe" their god wants them to do.

You are identical.

What do you not understand about that?

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Answer that, because that is what's important. Not the fact that terrorists have religious beliefs. To think otherwise is foolish, and illogical. And logic is the only thing you have Frank, so you should try and hold onto it if you can. Nice Red Herring, though.

I have answered that...and there is no red herring here.

Ticomaya wrote:

You didn't give a very good response, Frank.

I think I gave an excellent response. I just don't think you are intellectually capable of understanding the response...or that you do not have the integrity to see that I hit the nail on its head.

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It was very nearly, how you say ... "idiotic." I asked you to talk about the "effects" of my belief, contrasted with the effects of the terrorists' beliefs. Instead, you focused on the fact that they believe in God and I believe in God. Your argument, it appears, is that because they believe in God, I am identical to a terrorist.

One...I never said you were "identical" to a terrorist.

Two...I pointed out several things which show you to be shoulder to shoulder with these terrorists...and, I might add...with the terrorists throughout the years who killed in the name of that idiot god of yours.

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Christians kill in the name of God ... Muslims kill in the name of God ... Jews kill in the name of God ... Agnostics and Athiests kill, just not in the name of God ... So what's your point?

My point was to illustrate why I do not respect your silly guesses about REALITY.

Jeez...aren't you following this conversation?

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Hard as it is to believe, I think you are able to keep making yourself look even more foolish the more you write.

Well...that is the problem with all of your believing, Tico. Lots of times...it is not only wrong...it is absurd. I'll stick with what I'm saying...and you stick to your bullshyt...and let's just let the cards fall as the will..

You know what cracks me up? The old saying "You'll never find an atheist in a foxhole" The contention being that the person, suddenly confronted by the realization that he will die soon, now, for self-preservation purposes, inexplicably believes that there is a God and he will live forever.

What about the Christians in the foxhole? Why does no one ever mention the fact that those poor bastards are just as terrified as the athiests?

They should be giddy. They should stand up and accept the bullet. Then they will be whisked to heaven where they will enjoy eternal bliss.

Instead, they cower in the foxhole.

Explain that, please.

MY GUESS: There have been many, many atheists and agnostics in foxholes.

The religious like to think they have a lock on everything.

They don't.

Hi Tico!

Go get 'em Tico!

I find it extremely interesting that any time Frank does not agree with something posted in response to him, it is viewed as inane, stupid, blah, blah, blah!

I thought the whole point of these threads was to share our thoughts and feelings and not to try to rip each other to shreds?

Frank, I understand what Tico means when he says he "knows" in his beliefs. I also "know", Frank. There is nothing you can do or say to change that. The more you try to, the stronger our faith grows. And, quite frankly, Frank, I think you protest way toooooooooooooo much!

Ticomaya wrote:

The effects of my beliefs equate with the effects of the beliefs of the terrorists?

YES! YES! YES!

What do you not "get" about that?

You "believe" there is a God. They "believe" there is a God.

You "believe" your god has revealed what it expects of you. They "believe" their god has revealed what it expect of them.

You are doing what you "believe" your god wants you to do. They are doing what they "believe" their god wants them to do.

You are identical.

What do you not understand about that?

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Answer that, because that is what's important. Not the fact that terrorists have religious beliefs. To think otherwise is foolish, and illogical. And logic is the only thing you have Frank, so you should try and hold onto it if you can. Nice Red Herring, though.

I have answered that...and there is no red herring here.

Well said Rex. I personally do not know too many Christian suicide bombers.

cicerone imposter wrote:

The "key" is going AWOL when your daddy has all the pull to get you through without any consequence.

Would you mind translating this into English so that even this Canadian can understand it? Thanks.