If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

The effects of my beliefs equate with the effects of the beliefs of the terrorists?

YES! YES! YES!

What do you not "get" about that?

You "believe" there is a God. They "believe" there is a God.

You "believe" your god has revealed what it expects of you. They "believe" their god has revealed what it expect of them.

You are doing what you "believe" your god wants you to do. They are doing what they "believe" their god wants them to do.

You are identical.

What do you not understand about that?

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Answer that, because that is what's important. Not the fact that terrorists have religious beliefs. To think otherwise is foolish, and illogical. And logic is the only thing you have Frank, so you should try and hold onto it if you can. Nice Red Herring, though.

I have answered that...and there is no red herring here.

You didn't give a very good response, Frank. It was very nearly, how you say ... "idiotic." I asked you to talk about the "effects" of my belief, contrasted with the effects of the terrorists' beliefs. Instead, you focused on the fact that they believe in God and I believe in God. Your argument, it appears, is that because they believe in God, I am identical to a terrorist.

Christians kill in the name of God ... Muslims kill in the name of God ... Jews kill in the name of God ... Agnostics and Athiests kill, just not in the name of God ... So what's your point?

Hard as it is to believe, I think you are able to keep making yourself look even more foolish the more you write.

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Tico
I beg to differ Jews do not kill in the name of God.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I'm sure you have some small problem "respecting" the Islamic terrorists who "believe" they are serving their god by strapping explosives to their bodies and detonating themselves in crowds of people.

At least, I hope you do.

Sure I do.

Are you equating what I believe in to these terrorists acts?

When you consider that the main factor determining which irrational beliefs people end up with is what they were born into, yes.

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Ticomaya wrote:

You didn't give a very good response, Frank.

I think I gave an excellent response. I just don't think you are intellectually capable of understanding the response...or that you do not have the integrity to see that I hit the nail on its head.

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It was very nearly, how you say ... "idiotic." I asked you to talk about the "effects" of my belief, contrasted with the effects of the terrorists' beliefs. Instead, you focused on the fact that they believe in God and I believe in God. Your argument, it appears, is that because they believe in God, I am identical to a terrorist.

One...I never said you were "identical" to a terrorist.

Two...I pointed out several things which show you to be shoulder to shoulder with these terrorists...and, I might add...with the terrorists throughout the years who killed in the name of that idiot god of yours.

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Christians kill in the name of God ... Muslims kill in the name of God ... Jews kill in the name of God ... Agnostics and Athiests kill, just not in the name of God ... So what's your point?

My point was to illustrate why I do not respect your silly guesses about REALITY.

Jeez...aren't you following this conversation?

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Hard as it is to believe, I think you are able to keep making yourself look even more foolish the more you write.

Well...that is the problem with all of your believing, Tico. Lots of times...it is not only wrong...it is absurd. I'll stick with what I'm saying...and you stick to your bullshyt...and let's just let the cards fall as the will..

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This birth has been undertaken by you for the mission of crucifying the ego on the cross of compassion. An opportunity to be of some service to fellowmen comes to you as a gift from God. Serve with a sense of gratitude, for it is God who accepts it from you. Prepare yourselves for serving others, not only by learning the necessary skills but also through repeating God's Name and Meditation filling yourselves with God, lest your heart becomes dry and cruel.

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neologist wrote:

shiyacic aleksandar wrote:
God is everywhere my friends even in hell.
It is His duty to foster all the existant worlds to preserve,and protect them....
He abides also in the devil!Yes it is true!

In the word "Devil" there is "Devi" which means Goddess in Sanskrit.
You will not find God in the 'hell' which means 'the grave', nor may you classify him as 'devil' which means 'slanderer'.

Your affected language will not transform dementia into truth.

Lazy pride!

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mesquite wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
I'm sure you have some small problem "respecting" the Islamic terrorists who "believe" they are serving their god by strapping explosives to their bodies and detonating themselves in crowds of people.

At least, I hope you do.

Sure I do.

Are you equating what I believe in to these terrorists acts?

When you consider that the main factor determining which irrational beliefs people end up with is what they were born into, yes.

That makes no sense, mesquite. It certainly does not equate my belief in God to the acts of terrorists.

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FA wrote:

Tico wrote:
It was very nearly, how you say ... "idiotic." I asked you to talk about the "effects" of my belief, contrasted with the effects of the terrorists' beliefs. Instead, you focused on the fact that they believe in God and I believe in God. Your argument, it appears, is that because they believe in God, I am identical to a terrorist.

One...I never said you were "identical" to a terrorist.

Wrong. Look at your post immediately preceding the one I'm responding to. You said: "You are identical."

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Two...I pointed out several things which show you to be shoulder to shoulder with these terrorists...and, I might add...with the terrorists throughout the years who killed in the name of that idiot god of yours.

You pointed out that I believe in God, and they believe in God. Period. And then you expect that to add up to equate my beliefs with that of the terrorists? That's bizarre. How am I supposed to follow your line of reasoning when it makes no sense?

FA wrote:

Tico wrote:
Christians kill in the name of God ... Muslims kill in the name of God ... Jews kill in the name of God ... Agnostics and Athiests kill, just not in the name of God ... So what's your point?

My point was to illustrate why I do not respect your silly guesses about REALITY.

Jeez...aren't you following this conversation?

I'm trying, Frank. But as I said, you don't make a very good argument, and appear to have difficulty articulating what you intend to say.

FA wrote:

Tico wrote:
Hard as it is to believe, I think you are able to keep making yourself look even more foolish the more you write.

Well...that is the problem with all of your believing, Tico. Lots of times...it is not only wrong...it is absurd. I'll stick with what I'm saying...and you stick to your bullshyt...and let's just let the cards fall as the will..

Of course. You aren't going to change my beliefs, and I'm not trying to make you believe.

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I thought this thread was locked. And what happened to the juicy stuff?

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All the juicy stuff is gone.

And Tico sent me such nice birthday greetings...I will not attempt to revise and repost any of it.

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When love is directed towards objects that cater to the senses, it will dry up when they fail to give the happiness you seek. When profit is loved, loss will undermine it. Discontent will sap its springs, when you love with the motive of worldly contentment. Even when ten million disappointments combine to distress you, never give up love; fix it on the source of love, the spring of love, the Supreme Goal of love, namely, God. Whatever the obstacles, however much you are tempted to loosen the grip, hold on to God; there is always a calm after the storm. A bout of hot weather invariably brings welcome showers. Love saturates all activities with joy and peace. Love ennobles the least and the lowest. Love your self for the God that it embodies; love others for the God that is enshrined in them, that speaks and acts through them.

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Hi Tico!

Go get 'em Tico!

I find it extremely interesting that any time Frank does not agree with something posted in response to him, it is viewed as inane, stupid, blah, blah, blah!

I thought the whole point of these threads was to share our thoughts and feelings and not to try to rip each other to shreds?

Frank, I understand what Tico means when he says he "knows" in his beliefs. I also "know", Frank. There is nothing you can do or say to change that. The more you try to, the stronger our faith grows. And, quite frankly, Frank, I think you protest way toooooooooooooo much!

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Momma Angel wrote:

Hi Tico!

Go get 'em Tico!

I find it extremely interesting that any time Frank does not agree with something posted in response to him, it is viewed as inane, stupid, blah, blah, blah!

I thought the whole point of these threads was to share our thoughts and feelings and not to try to rip each other to shreds?

Frank, I understand what Tico means when he says he "knows" in his beliefs. I also "know", Frank. There is nothing you can do or say to change that. The more you try to, the stronger our faith grows. And, quite frankly, Frank, I think you protest way toooooooooooooo much!

I found myself laughing after the part where you said, "...Frank, I think...."

You haven't given that much evidence that you do.

Fact is...the difference between "know" and "believe" is about as great as the difference between "being pregnant" and "not being pregnant."

In a religious or philosphical context, when someone says "they believe" something...they acknowledge that they do not know it.

So anyone who tries to equate "believe" and "know" in these contexts...is not "thinking."

As for your "faith" getting stronger and stronger...I agree. It is. And since "faith" in the religious context simply means being obstinate and hard headed about ones guesses...that is no big deal. In fact, I see no reason for anyone to brag about how hard-headed they can be.

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Frank, would you agree with the former governor of Minnesota, the legendary Jesse Ventura, who said, "Religion if for weak-minded people."?

I totally agree. As a matter of fact, I coined that phrase long before Ventura ever used it.

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

Frank, would you agree with the former governor of Minnesota, the legendary Jesse Ventura, who said, "Religion if for weak-minded people."?

I totally agree. As a matter of fact, I coined that phrase long before Ventura ever used it.

I guess in a way, Gus. But I prefer to stress that religion is mostly for those who are terrified of the unknown.

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You know what cracks me up? The old saying "You'll never find an atheist in a foxhole" The contention being that the person, suddenly confronted by the realization that he will die soon, now, for self-preservation purposes, inexplicably believes that there is a God and he will live forever.

What about the Christians in the foxhole? Why does no one ever mention the fact that those poor bastards are just as terrified as the athiests?

They should be giddy. They should stand up and accept the bullet. Then they will be whisked to heaven where they will enjoy eternal bliss.

Instead, they cower in the foxhole.

Explain that, please.

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MY GUESS: There have been many, many atheists and agnostics in foxholes.

The religious like to think they have a lock on everything.

They don't.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

MY GUESS: There have been many, many atheists and agnostics in foxholes.

The religious like to think they have a lock on everything.

They don't.

Not the lock, Frank. The key.

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Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
MY GUESS: There have been many, many atheists and agnostics in foxholes.

The religious like to think they have a lock on everything.

They don't.

Not the lock, Frank. The key.

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Hey Tico!

Great to see you!

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