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If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 11:52 am
Ok, I didn't say I agree with the theory of evolution. I don't know enough about it to go that far. What I said was, I don't know how God literally did what He did. I am open to the ways He did it. I am just not going to change my belief that He DID do it.

And, I am not agnostic. I do believe there is God. I always will believe that.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 11:59 am
Momma Angel wrote:
Ok, I didn't say I agree with the theory of evolution. I don't know enough about it to go that far. What I said was, I don't know how God literally did what He did. I am open to the ways He did it. I am just not going to change my belief that He DID do it.

And, I am not agnostic. I do believe there is God. I always will believe that.


Then stop claiming you are keeping an open mind.
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:02 pm
You've come to the dinner table ready for a great meal. The concept of God is so totally abstract that I cannot understand what you believe you understand. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I support your belief in the God of the Bible but that's only because it's really none of my business. To try for intellectual discourse is probably futile and I've got to get going to the gallery and have errands to fun before so it was nice interacting with you despite there being but a small meeting of the minds.

Frank knows I appreciate and like his thinking so there's not much I can add as far as what he has stated. Besides, he's make a better Moses than Charlatan Heston.
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Arella Mae
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:06 pm
Lightwizard,

I had thought we were on our way to a small start. I doubt that I would ever be able to rise to your intelligence level. You obviously have had more schooling than I have had. But, I do appreciate what you have shared with me. Thanx!
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:16 pm
Dang schooling! Not only that, I've continued with my education with a very comprehensive library of books and a long-standing subscription to Encyclopedia Britannica. A thirst for knowledge primarilly drives me, including knowledge about people. Another timeless adage is that knowledge is power. Too many clerics, like dimwitted Jerry Fawell (and I am afraid he is not an exception), have sparse scientific knowledge and their so-called study of Theology is memorizing the Bible.

I have to be cautious with the scathing wit and I sometimes wield it as a cruel sword. Sound familiar? Laughing
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:17 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Frank knows I appreciate and like his thinking so there's not much I can add as far as what he has stated. Besides, he's make a better Moses than Charlatan Heston.


Well, I might have trouble parting the Red Sea....but you oughta see me "parting" a bagel with cream cheese. And I do it without a staff.
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Arella Mae
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:36 pm
Lightwizard,

Ok, I can see we are back at the word thing. Perhaps education was the word I should have used.

Ok, you say you thirst for knowledge. That's what I am doing. But, when you first started thirsting, did you start with the Big Guys? The Experts, per se? Or, did you do like I am doing? I am going to different people to get different ideas. You have provided me information, as have others. I then assimilate that information and form my opinions. I realize it may be frustrating for you to have to try to understand my thinking, as it is obviously not on the same level as yours intellectually. I recognize that. I am trying to do my best to convey to you in the best way I know how.

So, in going to others, they lead me to others and other things, and so on. I gain a wealth of knowledge that way!
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:36 pm
Confess, Frank, you've got one of those hi-tech bagel cutters that resembles a guillotine. I'm glad to assured me you do the act but are not holding on to your staff.
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:40 pm
And is was the Reed Sea (a mere puddle in comparison) Moses parted, not the Red Sea. Cecille B. DeMillestone is often wrong.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 04:15 pm
New thread on abortion:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1478807#1478807
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 04:46 pm
'Fraid I don't want to touch that one with a ten foot pole. Well, it is the result of being touched with a pole and when is a pole a staff?
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Arella Mae
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 04:56 pm
Lightwizard,

I am with you on that! I wouldn't join that conversation for anything! Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 08:40 pm
It's really a loaded question probably extending from when someone got loaded.
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Arella Mae
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 08:42 pm
I am beginning to think agnostic means antagonist. Laughing Just a joke!
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Lightwizard
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 09:01 pm
No, it's anti-tagonist. Someone who no longer wants to play a child's game.
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Arella Mae
 
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Tue 26 Jul, 2005 09:07 pm
I may not agree with everything you think or say, but I sure do like your sense of humor.

You ought to jump into our conversation on Being Part of the Problem or the Solution.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1479281#1479281
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Pauligirl
 
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Wed 27 Jul, 2005 10:25 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Dang schooling! Not only that, I've continued with my education with a very comprehensive library of books and a long-standing subscription to Encyclopedia Britannica. A thirst for knowledge primarilly drives me, including knowledge about people. Another timeless adage is that knowledge is power. Too many clerics, like dimwitted Jerry Fawell (and I am afraid he is not an exception), have sparse scientific knowledge and their so-called study of Theology is memorizing the Bible.

I have to be cautious with the scathing wit and I sometimes wield it as a cruel sword. Sound familiar? Laughing


"sparse scientific knowledge". Yeap. That's that problem. The folks that criticize science (mostly evolution) are the ones that don't understand it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Wed 27 Jul, 2005 10:31 pm
And those that criticize Christianity are those that don't understand it. Your point?
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Lightwizard
 
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Wed 27 Jul, 2005 11:06 pm
I don't believe those who criticize Christianity do not understand it -- what in the name of Hell is there to "understand?" Science is another story -- it requires concentration, not devotion and an abstract intelligence as well as a logic-based intelligence. Christianity requires one to believe every last word of the Bible which, unfortunately, is almost all unbelievable and actually rather quaint and prosaic.
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Arella Mae
 
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Thu 28 Jul, 2005 12:19 am
And just what is so illogical about loving they neighbor? Doing unto others? Not killing?

You obviously accept science as "the truth". There are millions of scientific theories out there! Do you believe them all just because they are science? By putting your belief, acceptance, etc., into science, you are putting into the hands of mortal men.

I am putting my beliefs, acceptance, and faith into something greater than any of us or any scientific theory, equation, etc.

I do not understand every single word in the Bible. I do not understand every single word in some of these threads! But I understand the concept of a God loving me so much that He wants what is best for me. I understand the concept of someone laying down their life to save mine. It's just like someone stepping into the path of a bullet aimed at you. Man hath no greater love than to lay down his life for his brother. What's so hard to understand about that?
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