Momma Angel wrote: In that respect I believe ignorance is bliss. God gives us a choice. We make that choice on the information we gather. If the information is unavailable or held from you, etc., you cannot make a choice.
Hummmm...yet when I pointed out that Adam and Eve did not have information available to them to make a choice (they did not know the difference between good and evil...right and wrong BEFORE eating the fruit of the tree of that knowledge)....you did not feel this way.
Why is that?
Quote:I hope that helps explain what I feel a bit more. I greatly appreciate the questions as they are helping me learn.
Well...let me help you learn a little more.
People much smarter and better studied than you (I refer here to St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas) have a different take on this.
(Kicky ain't here to ask nicely....so I'm gonna have to presume he would ask nicely if he were....and get to the info.)
St. Augustine...one of the first church fathers, scholar, doctor....of your religion...taught that anyone dying without having been cleansed of the sin passed on to all humans by Adam (Original Sin)...
...for whatever reason or reasons...
...would go to Hell to spend eternity there.
Augustine posited a section of Hell that did not have all of the punishments available for those who lead desolute
(sic) lives....but these souls, said the good doctor, would spend eternity in Hell.
St. Augustine, like St. Momma here, was of the opinion that anyone with any kind of sin on their soul could not get into the presence of their god because....well....because who knows why.
(The Catholic Church still teaches this...with proviso for alternatives to specific Baptism [remission of Original Sin].)
Aquinas refined this a bit.
Aquinas proposed places called Limbos...where souls still stained by sin...even if just Original Sin...went.
But it is a distinction without a difference.
The singular most pointed aspect of the Limbos....is that they deny the soul access and personal contact with the god...the so-called Beatific Vision of God.
That is reserved only for those in Heaven....and is the intimate, personal contact with the god.
And....since the single most torturous aspect of Hell is the denial of the souls there of the Beatific Vision....being in the Limbos is essentially suffering the tortures of the damned for all eternity.
What a loving god!!!!!!!
NOTE TO THE CHRISTIANS HERE IN THIS THREAD: Be very, very careful how you deal with this information.
It is correct in all its essentials...and if needs be, I can document it all. (You really would do well to do the research yourself through Google, though....so I won't offer it here, now.)
But I've set a trap for you by giving you the info.
Argue with me on it if you will....but I'm gonna slam dunk you on other isses
(sic) if you are not very careful.
Don't say I didn't warn yez!!!!!
