If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

neologist wrote:
Actually, I do value your posts, Frank, beclouded though they may be by the malignant miasma of the meadowlands.

I don't want you to value them, Neo. I offer my comments in hopes that it will help you extricate yourself from the fear and (dare I use the word here) superstition that causes you to defend the indefensible.

Fear of what?

When you say superstition, are you referring to some sort of ritual?

Please explain. And remember you are talking to a moron.

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neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
Actually, I do value your posts, Frank, beclouded though they may be by the malignant miasma of the meadowlands.

I don't want you to value them, Neo. I offer my comments in hopes that it will help you extricate yourself from the fear and (dare I use the word here) superstition that causes you to defend the indefensible.
Fear of what?

The unknown...and that preposterous, barbaric god you worship.

All that fear apparently is the reason religion started in the first place. One would think by now humans would have been out of the trees long enough not to still have those irrational fears.

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When you say superstition, are you referring to some sort of ritual?

From the Merriam Webster on-line dictionary:

Superstition
Pronunciation: "sü-p&r-'sti-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English supersticion, from Middle French, from Latin superstition-, superstitio, from superstit-, superstes standing over (as witness or survivor), from super- + stare to stand -- more at STAND

1 a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition

2 : a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary

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Please explain. And remember you are talking to a moron.

I'm doing the best I can to use short words.

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I worship what I know.
I have no fear of punishment from God. The punishment for sin is death. No more, no less. The reward for obedience is the possibility of resurrection, a hope held out even for those who never knew God.
I fear displeasing God in the same way I would fear causing some harm to my family by my actions or lack of faith.
I may refer to myself as a moron, but that is a word you applied to me. I assure you I am a long way from ignorance; but rather than present myself as an authority, I stand on the works of others.

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neologist wrote:

I worship what I know.

My guess is that you do not KNOW what you worship at all...and my further guess is that you do not have the integrity to acknowledge that.

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I have no fear of punishment from God.

Yeah...you guys are always saying you have no fear of punishment. Only a lunatic would truly have no fear of the god of the Bible. He is a barbarian. My guess: You are merely lying to stay in the god's good graces.

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The punishment for sin is death. No more, no less.

How the hell do you KNOW that? Or are you just guessing....and refusing to acknowlege that you are just guessing?

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The reward for obedience is the possibility of resurrection, a hope held out even for those who never knew God.

How the hell do you KNOW that? Or are you just guessing....and refusing to acknowlege that you are just guessing?

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I fear displeasing God in the same way I would fear causing some harm to my family by my actions or lack of faith.

Yeah sure. Gimme a break. Work your way out of this mire.

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I may refer to myself as a moron, but that is a word you applied to me.

I don't remember doing so, but if I did...I apologize for doing so. The apology is sincere and heartfelt. For you to continue to apply it to yourself is stupid. Stop doing it.

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I assure you I am a long way from ignorance...

Then act like it.

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...but rather than present myself as an authority, I stand on the works of others.

It is possible to not present one's self as an authority...but still not "stand on the works of others."

Figure out how to do it.

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Ok, I have been watching this morning and you know what? Frank, you are really acting like a pompous jerk!

No one calls what you believe stupid, guessing, etc. If the only argument you have against Christianity is to attack other's beliefs, then I truly feel sorry for you.

Why would anyone want to discuss or share their viewpoints with someone that consistently belittles the God of their chosing. Oh, I did notice that as long as The One True God is not part of a post, you are far more tolerant and accepting.

Neologist, I applaud you for hanging in there and trying. But, I finally got to the point of "Do not cast your pearls before swine." And oh yeah, Frank, that doesn't mean I am calling you a pig. It means if you tell someone of Jesus and they rebuke, argue, or anger, then you are to stop because you can only do more harm than good.

And Frank, if God were the vindictive and barbaric God you think He is, He would have struck you down by now. But, since He is a loving and forgiving God, He is giving you a chance to find salvation. I pray that you see that someday.

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get'um momma angel.you got class

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Momma Angel wrote:

Ok, I have been watching this morning and you know what? Frank, you are really acting like a pompous jerk!

No one calls what you believe stupid, guessing, etc. If the only argument you have against Christianity is to attack other's beliefs, then I truly feel sorry for you.

Why would anyone want to discuss or share their viewpoints with someone that consistently belittles the God of their chosing. Oh, I did notice that as long as The One True God is not part of a post, you are far more tolerant and accepting.

Neologist, I applaud you for hanging in there and trying. But, I finally got to the point of "Do not cast your pearls before swine." And oh yeah, Frank, that doesn't mean I am calling you a pig. It means if you tell someone of Jesus and they rebuke, argue, or anger, then you are to stop because you can only do more harm than good.

And Frank, if God were the vindictive and barbaric God you think He is, He would have struck you down by now. But, since He is a loving and forgiving God, He is giving you a chance to find salvation. I pray that you see that someday.

Nah!

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LOL. Now, I find that very amusing, Frank. Let me "guess" you don't address specifics on this particular post because you can't do it without the criticism?

All I am saying is, discussion is wonderful. But a one-sided discussion is an attack.

I read the guidelines for posting in here. They specifically state, "It is not the place to attack others for their personally held beliefs."

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I under estimated you momma.

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Amigo,

LOL. I'm a tough old broad!

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Why is there a hell?To keep us from killing eachother in fear of burning in hell forever.It's not working.We just kill eachother in the name of our own gods and everyones god is the only just god and he said its okay to kill eachother

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I don't know why people insist it is "their God" telling them to kill those that do not believe what they believe.

This is the way it goes: Christ died on the cross to save the world from their sins. By grace you are saved, not by works. God gave us the free will to make the choice to accept this grace or not. If you are not for God, you are against God. Hell is for those that are against God and refuse to accept the saving grace of salvation.

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Momma

You speak of the one true God. It would be appropriate if you prefaced that statement with, In my opinion or I have been taught.
In addition which God do you rerfer to. The God of the old testament or as many Christians appear to believe, Jesus?

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He gave us freewill to decide if want to fry in hell for eternity or come around to his way of thinking,Thats some freewill sister.

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I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

I believe Jesus Christ is the Savior. I following His teachings.

Free will is just that free will. It's your choice, not God's. If it were His choice to make, no one would be lost.

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If no one could be lost then no one could be found what would be the point of that.Momma,go to"what not to say during intimacy" and have a laugh at my expense i'm losing bad over there.In humuor

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I will check that out. Could use a smile myself.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Ok, I have been watching this morning and you know what? Frank, you are really acting like a pompous jerk!

No I'm not. I am telling what I see to be the truth. And that is bothering you. Christians are not big on truth.

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No one calls what you believe stupid, guessing, etc.

I don't "believe" anything...so they can't. What is the big noise?

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If the only argument you have against Christianity is to attack other's beliefs, then I truly feel sorry for you.

I could care less about your "beliefs." I am saying some things about the god of the Bible. The god is all the things I say he is....and your description of GOD simply does not jibe with the description given in the Bible.

You are too afraid of the god to see that.

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Why would anyone want to discuss or share their viewpoints with someone that consistently belittles the God of their chosing.

In other words, I am supposed to lie...or keep quiet???

What is your problem?

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And Frank, if God were the vindictive and barbaric God you think He is, He would have struck you down by now.

Either that...or there is no God...or the God could not care less what we think of that cartoon in the Bible.

Which do you guess it is?

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Momma Angel wrote:

I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

I believe Jesus Christ is the Savior. I following His teachings.

Free will is just that free will. It's your choice, not God's. If it were His choice to make, no one would be lost.

It is "his" choice, for Chrissake. If this idiot god were not so quick to be bothered by what humans do....there would be no sin.

The only reason there is "sin"...is because your idiot god gets offended by goddam near everything humans do.

He is a comic book character, Momma.

But I hope you are having a fine day today. I am writing this while hosting a barbecue for 15 people in my backyard. Nancy's gonna kill me if I don't get back out there.

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