If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

thats for the mods to tell me. all i was trying to do was to find a possible/ plausibe reason as to why someoe should react at a harmless comment like he did.

are are you also confused as to why i used the term redneck??

does everyone who's ever used the word redneck, get misconstrued similarly i wonder.

whats actually in order is better understanding of another persons point of view and intent.

Please read "What God wants" By Neale Walsch

Welcome again to the forum chrys.

There is no way I will read an overly long post, much less an entire book, to support an argument which I may conclude is false in its premise.

It would be helpful if you could state your ideas simply and in your own words.

I'm really not all that bright; I must admit.

BTW, brahmin; You are probably right about the windstorm your redneck flatus has created.

God wants simplicity of thoughts and a purity of the heart.

The Christian Bible is the embodiment of profound teaching and prophecy, symbolically and allegorically expressed. It is not meant to be taken literally, and, if it is, it leads to the present confusion of fundamentalist and orthodox Christians in relation to the reappearance of the Christ. It is not, as Christians fondly believe, the only book of Divine revelation, but for long years to come it will serve many millions of Christians . Freed of the man-made dogmas and doctrines, the Christian Bible will find a new lease of life in the demonstration of the age-old story of initiation through the Gospel of the life of Jesus, and as a constant reminder of the interaction of God and man in man's long journey to divinity. :wink:

All anyone can do with regard to the nature of the Bible is to guess. Any reasonable, intelligent, not-superstitious person would have to come to the conclusion that it is a book of self-serving history of the early Hebrew people...interspersed with a comic book level mythology.

It is highly codified,the key is given to very few...
Those who understand it really, cannot talk about because there is noone to understand them!

And I suppose you are one of the one's that has this key.

Which means, of course, that everyone should listen to your "codified" wisdom.

Time for another Xingu.

because jesus didn't die to forgive, thats why. he died because he got hanged, you know it happens.

Or you may say he was nailed for creating disharmony among the Jews.

Apparently quite a stir. But, there may be more to it.

Jesus had doubts until His final hours, but when He cried: "My Lord, My Lord, why hast Thou forsaken me,' He was given a vision. He understood then that the mind should not run after spiritual forces" . "

... When Jesus saw this He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" . In this way He realized, in mind, spirit, and body "that the relative and the absolute are the two sides of Light. Jesus realized that all beings are created by God and that we are all reacting to the laws of nature. Then silence prevailed. He was satisfied".

That He succeeded in His mission is certain. He anchored on the earth certain energies of Love and Will which have opened the door to vast possibilities for human accomplishment. In addition He left a legacy for all who would follow - His life and work is a promise that we too, though we stumble and fall, can ultimately achieve the greatest of goals. We can aspire to His powers, overcome death, and find resurrection.

Perhaps that is exactly what He meant to give us, the true Light He cast upon the path, "In truth, in very truth I tell you, he who has faith in me will do what I am doing; and he will do greater things still because I am going to the Father" (Jn 14:12). Therein lies our hope, our future, and the possibility of our true at-one-ment with God! :wink:

Beginning at age 15, I thought hell was just a garbled version of the notion of re-incarnation. Later, I thought hell was living in New Hampshire.

Ya, I bet them N.H. summers are awful.

I kind of miss Bristol and Newfound Lake.

First of all, the people were unfriendly to the point of armed warfare.

Second, I just hated having to spend two weeks on a lake in the middle of NH, cooking dinner for the people my ex-husband invited over. Once, I scraped my shin so badly that the bone was visible. He told me to "pull down the skin, bandage it and make dinner for my guests."

Yikes!

I can see why he's an ex-husband.

Even Jesus had to struggle with the problem of attachment to spiritual powers and experiences. The experiences the Lord gave Jesus are being given to certain disciples today. But in the case of Jesus, His mind initially became possessive of those experiences. The mind tried to use these spiritual powers to achieve certain goals.

Jesus was concerned about disparities between rich and poor and He began to preach that ?'?'In the eyes of the Lord, no one is rich or poor.'' But He should, instead, have helped people try to realize the Self, for by this process one learns automatically to use what one needs and to pass on the excess. Jesus should have taught, ?'?'Be not attached to riches or poverty. The true teaching is, ?'?'The Lord is with you if you are honest, sincere, and detached.

When the priests challenged Jesus, ''Why can you not free yourself, if you are God?'', Jesus could do nothing at that moment. Then, when Jesus was on the Cross and asked, ''My Lord, my Lord, why hast Thou forsaken me?'', He was given a vision... He was taught that the entire creation is the Lord's. ''Without the Lord's will,'' says Maitreya, ''nothing takes place.'' In that moment Jesus understood that the mind should not run after spiritual powers.

Upon experiencing the vision, Jesus said: ''Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.'' When you are free of attachments, as Buddha was, you are given the vision of the Absolute (nirvana). The lesson here is that Jesus was attached to that which He wanted to achieve (justice and parity between rich and poor). His teaching was relative, however, because it was submerged in opposites, and so the Lord gave Him a vision of Light. Jesus realized in mind, spirit and body that the relative and the absolute are two aspects of the same Light. Then silence prevailed. He was satisfied.

Jesus as a person, as an individual entity, experienced the sustenance, the support, of the Almighty. People everywhere, are beginning to experience this now. What will the signs of this experience be? People will be able to explain in simple sentences what Jesus experienced in Christ. When you experience the One who sustains you, who is the source of all creation, you know that without Him nothing takes place. At such a time, the Self is oblivious to everything that is happening around it, as was the case when Jesus said, ''Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.'' When you are honest, sincere, detached, you can reach this stage.

The film by Martin Scorsese, The Last Temptation of Christ: Many in several countries strongly opposed showing the film because it depicted Jesus being tempted to engage in sex.Temptations of mind, spirit and body force the self to do something against the will of the real Self. Jesus passed through these stages and was also tempted. ''Does anyone know what He did?'' Nobody is really in a position to know, what Jesus actually did. However, even if Jesus had had sexual intercourse in His lifetime, one cannot say, ''Having sex is an offense to God.''

It is not the case, that ''To know the Lord you have got to give up sex. The Lord says: ''Do not condemn sex. If you condemn sex you will never know who I am.'' If you condemn sex, you must ask yourself how you were born. Where did you come from? The Lord does not say, ''Give up your wife and children.'' Does anyone make a fuss about birth and death? Who is not born of sexual intercourse? Do not preach that sex is dirty. It is natural and does not need to be taught. It develops with the evolutionary forces of life. The true Master is awareness, which teaches at the right moment. To educate about sex prematurely is also not advisable. Things should be allowed to take their natural course. :wink:

Nobody takes anyone seriously when they write like an idiot one day....and a scholar the next.

Pick a persona and stick with it.