If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

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But in the end it is all about what you believe when you read the words of any religious text.

Impressive tortured interpretation.

John 3
9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 7

I don't know for sure if logic is really involved unless you actually believe in what you read in the first place. I mean if you start to base your belief on logic, all those questions such as why is evil acceptable by God or how can homosexuals who are born that way be committing a sin if they are intimate (lay with another man like a woman or visa versa). I mean the questions are endless with really no logical answers other than a faith in God that he knows what he is doing and is it the way it is supposed to be and there is a reason for it all that we might not understand.

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Impressive tortured interpretation.

Interesting that you consider the application of Reason, experience and objectivity as ‘tortured'. Is it that way for you?
I always regarded them as pleasurable.

Actually, we have a clear reason that Jesus died. But it's not the one everyone understands.

There are actually two reasons that Jesus died.

First, Jesus himself gives us the answer. "For just as Moses lifted up the serpent, so also the Son of Man must be lifted up." Reading back about Moses, we find a rather strange passage. The Jews were getting bitten by venomous snakes after constant complaining. So God literally instructs Moses to make an idol. The Jew look at the snake on a pole symbol and they become healed. Likewise, Jesus is intended to be raised (on the cross ) to draw attention to how God took our sins on to himself.

I personally don't think Jesus's status as Messiah is relevant. The Jews deny it, and what is more relevant is that he is something else entirely. A Savior.

Okay, so I promised two reasons. The second is hinted several times but never said. Jesus is Emmanuel, "God with us." This means that his entire life was to show that God came to be a part of humanity. Unlike most people, I do not believe it was necessary for God to die on the cross. In order to do what he really came to do, which is "tear down the curtain" between God and man, he simply had to (1) be born and (2) die. Doing this would be enough to ensure that human beings would have the ability to experience Heaven, and to be reconnected with God. The problem is, humans need atonement, and such and action does no good to those trapped in sin. So Jesus needed to be a sacrifice, in order to draw attention to the fact that our sins are being forgiven. That someone has paid the price. It wasn't that Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins. He could have chosen any death. It's that this was the best option to remind us that he took the curse of the law for us.

But it's not the one everyone understands.

Likewise, Jesus is intended to be raised (on the cross ) to draw attention to how God took our sins on to himself.

So Jesus needed to be a sacrifice, in order to draw attention to the fact that our sins are being forgiven. That someone has paid the price.

This means that his entire life was to show that God came to be a part of humanity. Unlike most people, I do not believe it was necessary for God to die on the cross. In order to do what he really came to do, which is "tear down the curtain" between God and man, he simply had to (1) be born and (2) die

Unlike most people, I do not believe it was necessary for God to die on the cross. In order to do what he really came to do, which is "tear down the curtain" between God and man, he simply had to (1) be born and (2) die.

I understood it just fine.

You are welcome to point out anything you think is 'unreasoned rationalization' in my reasoning.
If you are intellectually honest, it is your duty to do so.

Hebrews 10
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.