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If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2015 06:00 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
So, a death sentence is temporary?
For many. See John 5:28-29. Not all.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2015 07:21 pm
@neologist,
I'm referring to the latter.
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Gwyneth Elms
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 04:19 am
@au1929,
No Jesus died for you and if you choose to acknowledge that you will not go to hell but God made us with free will and will not take that from us - people who are going to heaven are just sinners like everyone else but they have accepted their Saviour - good choice I think!
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Gwyneth Elms
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 04:34 am
@roverroad,
It makes complete sense - if someone really wants to know the truth about God it is in the Bible and is very clear if you seek you will find
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Gwyneth Elms
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 04:38 am
@watchmakers guidedog,
If Jesus' death was not deliberate what about the resurrection - Jesus had told his disciples that he would die and would be resurrected on the third day - I wouldn't try to come up with any explanations unless they were in the Bible - what would be the point?
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Gwyneth Elms
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 04:40 am
@snood,
Absolutely - Salvation is not logical - it's a gift from a loving God
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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 05:29 am
We've got a live one.


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/circular-Bible.jpg
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 11:34 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
Other illogical things:
Love, Hope, Heroism and Children.

What a blighted world it would be if everything had to be logical.
Of course.
But, we should keep in mind, that our Heavenly Father is the highest example of what is logical.
Just one example:
What is the highest hope for humans alive today if not for they and their families to live a long life with good health and freedom from sickness and crime?
Compare that with God's commission to Adam and Eve for they and their family to live an everlasting life with perfect health and no mention of sickness, crime, or death.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 11:53 am
@Caesar,
Quote:
It doesnt make sense.


Yes, that is true of any and all religions.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 01:40 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
What is the highest hope for humans alive today if not for they and their families to live a long life with good health and freedom from sickness and crime?
We all have the freedom to choose our highest hope but I would urge everyone to aim higher than that.
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 01:48 pm
@Leadfoot,
So God's commission to Adam and Eve is insufficient?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 01:58 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

So God's commission to Adam and Eve is insufficient?


Your god's "commission" to Adam and Eve...

...was a set-up sting.

The entire of the story of "the fall" is farce. The only reasonable lesson that can be derived from it is: Don't trust that god.


neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 02:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Either that or

Read carefully!

Love ya, Frank!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 02:26 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Either that or

Read carefully!

Love ya, Frank!


I love you, too, Neo. Hope the day comes where we down some suds together.

But this is something else.

The Adam and Eve sting sucks...huge...bigger than Linda Lovelace.

Why you still buy into it to the degree you do eludes me. You seem too intelligent for such nonsense.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 02:42 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
So God's commission to Adam and Eve is insufficient?


Yes. Just as the Mosaic law was insufficient.
The influence of your religious affiliation is becoming more apparent all he time.
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 07:29 pm
@Leadfoot,
I wrote:
So God's commission to Adam and Eve is insufficient?
Leadfoot wrote:
Yes. Just as the Mosaic law was insufficient.
Interesting. The only god I know of whose works are insufficient is the god who kidnapped the human race in Genesis, ch. 3.
Leadfoot wrote:
The influence of your religious affiliation is becoming more apparent all he time.
OK. But to declare the works of "The Rock, perfect is his activity. . ." insufficient seems a bit presumptuous, doesn't it? (Deuteronomy 32:4)

Perhaps you meant to say the Mosaic Law is insufficient for Christians, since Jesus' faithful course made it obsolete. But after God gave our first parents their instructions, he pronounced his creation "good"
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 07:49 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
But after God gave our first parents their instructions, he pronounced his creation "good"

When I poured the foundation for my house, it was "good". It was not sufficient to live in at that point.

You can clarify everything by answering one question for me.

Do you expect to dwell in heaven?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 10:05 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
The only god I know of whose works are insufficient is the god who kidnapped the human race in Genesis, ch. 3.

Now they were kidnapped? Against their will?
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 10:30 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
Do you expect to dwell in heaven?
Not at all. "The meek shall inherit the earth . . . " - Psalm 37:11. I am hoping to be among them.

If heaven was so great, why would so many angels forsake their relationship with God for a few years on earth?
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2015 10:31 pm
@InfraBlue,
I'd say they were outsmarted.
 

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