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Should DeLay resign

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 10:17 pm
Whoever Earle is, he's got it right; both sides are corrupt. The latest being that offshore companies are getting government contracts without bids. Throw the whole slew of them out on their seats, and fire them.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 05:21 am
KW does make a valid point.

It looks bad that it was a speech given at a Democrat fundraiser, but it is possible that the speech itself was not highloy partisan.

I will amend my remarks at this time. I do not have sufficient information based on the news story alone to conclude that this is a pot and kettle situation.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:19 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Whoever Earle is, he's got it right; both sides are corrupt. The latest being that offshore companies are getting government contracts without bids. Throw the whole slew of them out on their seats, and fire them.


Agreed.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 08:16 am
Meanwhile, Delay has had to amend several documents, which raises more questions.

Quote:

Yesterday, Meghan blogged about Phil Shenon's New York Times piece on an audit of DeLay's leadership PAC, ARMPAC. When I saw the story my immediate reaction that DeLay and his handlers released the story early to take the sting out of the real news. The spin they put on it was that it involved the committee was "cleared" -- in fact that's the headline the Times put on the story. Lawyers for DeLay spun out a line that the audit involved a small amount of money, that it was a routine audit, and that they were cooperating fully with the Federal Election Commission.

Pardon me for my skepticism.

But clearly the lawyers for DeLay know much much more than what they were willing to say yesterday. Today's Washington Post gives more details, after the newspaper compared old filings with the updated ones submitted recently by ARMPAC. It's a good piece of reporting by Jeffrey Smith and Derek Willis.

Here are some findings of the Post's analysis that DeLay and his lawyers don't want people to know:

1. ARMPAC's revised filings omit $15,523 in contributions previously reported. (Psst, Post: From whom? And why? And did this money go to ARMPAC's soft money committee? Or to TRMPAC?)

2. ARMPAC's revised filings add $51,755 in expenditures not previously reported. (Psst, Post: For what?)

3. ARMPAC is carrying debt -- $5,732.90 to be exact -- for a Puerto Rico fundraiser in 2002. (Psst, DeLay beat reporters or other enterprising researchers: Let's know more about that fundraiser DeLay and company failed to disclose.) An unpaid debt at some point has to be classified as a donation, right? And if this outstanding bill is from a corporation, then it can't be made to DeLay's hard money operation. In 2002, DeLay's ARMPAC also had a soft money committee (more on that in a minute). But that committee doesn't exist anymore.

But here's the big ticket item, and one in which additional attention is needed:



The revised filings also for the first time list a debt of $121,456 from ARMPAC's regulated campaign account to a separate ARMPAC account that took in unregulated donations in those years.

Jan Baran, a Republican lawyer who specializes in campaign law, said the listing of this debt evidently means that ARMPAC improperly used unregulated campaign contributions to finance certain expenses during those years and now must pay that sum back to comply with the rules.

Unregulated contributions are typically those donated directly by corporations, unions or other wealthy donors, often in excess of the limits imposed on contributions to regulated funds. The use of unregulated contributions by federal lawmakers was prohibited by a campaign finance law enacted in late 2002, forcing ARMPAC and similar committees to disband them.

That circumstance adds a wrinkle to the issue of how ARMPAC can now redress its mistake. Essentially, its debt is to an entity that no longer exists.

Baran says he could not assess whether any of the revisions made by ARMPAC represent serious mistakes until the FEC releases a final audit report and he sees whether the errors have attracted the interest of its office of general counsel, which can bring legal action and assess financial penalties.



One final item that has my mind racing this morning:

ARMPAC's executive director is none other than the indicted Jim Ellis, who in 2002, the period covered by this audit, was deeply involved in another of DeLay's political activities -- raising corporate money for Texans for a Republican Majority PAC for state races in Texas.

Do any of these possible violations or revised filings or debt, etc. involve Ellis and TRMPAC? Inquiring minds want to know.

Maybe Smith and Willis, or Shenon and his team of researchers can look deeper on this one. Or, maybe there's a District Attorney down in Travis County who is reading the Post story and asking himself the same question.

UPDATE: Another question pops to mind: Have there been any audits or revised fiilings in Texas for TRMPAC? Hmmm.


Daily Delay
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 09:11 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Whoever Earle is


Ronnie Earle is the Travis County DA investigating TRMPAC (Texans for a Republican Majority), one of DeLay's fundraising mechanisms.

That political action committee received contributions from corporations (DeLay was personally delivered two checks from the Reliant Corporation -- here's the proof -- which earned him one of his Ethics Committee rebukes). That's illegal in Texas.

The counsel for the defense is arguing that the contributions are for "administrative expenses", which is actually the loophole in the law. So far the case for that is contradicted by the evidence (see the previous link). But if the lawyers for Delay can successfully appeal these semantical rulings to the appeals court, which is comprised of three-GOP-appointed judges, they have hope of prevailing.

DeLay's immediate future, in short, depends on an indictment. The newly watered down House Ethics Committee, packed with Republicans who've all received sizable amounts of campaign cash from the Bugman, had to reverse itself and change back the rule that said an indicted Majority Leader could continue to cling to his post. One can't.

Assuming he is still hanging on, from now until November of 2006 Tom DeLay is going to hang like an albatross around the neck of every single Republican running for office from sea to shining sea as an example of the kind of morals and ethics one has come to expect from the GOP. That ought to be enough to chase quite a few of his henchmen and sycophants out of Washington (and elsewhere). In fact there's a remarkable analysis that describes the similarities between the Republican party today and the Democrats in 1993, here.

Unless, again, he is indicted and forced to resign by his peers.

( Laughing And as I type this, Howard Dean is putting the wood to his big, fat, white, pimply ass.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 11:42 am
PDid, Nice to see you again. Hope all is well. At any rate, thanks for sharing that bit about DeLay and the negative impact he'll have in both Texas and Washington. These egomaniacs are all self-serving jerks, so he'll end up hurting the GOP. That the Democrats had similarities back in 1993 is not encouraging.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:44 am
WASHINGTON - The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) today released "Tom's Tainted Team," an analysis of ten House Republican members who side with House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and MTBE Special Interests over the interests of their own constituents.

As the House of Representatives debates and votes on the Energy Bill (H.R. 6) today and tomorrow, the attached report outlines those members who have continually supported one of the most harmful and controversial parts of the legislation - a special interest provision to protect makers and refiners of the dangerous chemical MTBE from pollution liability. MTBE, a potential carcinogen, has contaminated groundwater systems in at least 29 states, threatening the drinking water of millions of Americans. The MTBE polluter bailout provision will force states and local taxpayers, not the producers, to pay billions to clean up the MTBE contamination.

The criteria for joining "Tom's Tainted Team" are:

Voted twice for the House Energy bill that includes the MTBE polluter bailout provision;
Taken campaign cash from the oil and gas industry which has lobbied hard for passage of the Energy bill (including in many cases contributions from either Valero Energy, a big manufacturer of MTBE which is based in Texas, and/or Lyondell Chemical, one of the largest manufacturers, based in Rep. DeLay's district);
Received at least $10,000 in contributions from Mr. DeLay's PAC, Americans for a Republican Majority (partially funded by MTBE interests), if not more from his personal campaign account;
Have MTBE contamination in their districts and in some cases, pending lawsuits against oil, gas and MTBE producers filed in their states that would be nullified if the MTBE provision were enacted into law;
And these 10 members also turned a blind eye to Rep. DeLay's ethics issues by voting earlier this year to change House ethics rules to help shield him from investigations.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:34 am
Atkins, I've given up on the American People, but especially the voters. We continue to elect and reelect people who have no qualms about endangering our lives and poluting our environment. We deserve what we ask for. I don't think Americans can read or understand what they read.
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chiczaira
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:47 pm
Of course, De Lay should resign.

He is a criminal.

He was the one responsible for stealing districts from the Democrats in Texas so that now there are more Republican Federal House members than Democrats. That is wrong and evil.

DeLay must pay. He is corrupt. Look at poor Bill Clinton- impeached because of sex. What DeLay has done is far far worse.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:56 pm
The republicans don't agree with you chic.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 08:24 am
DeLay angered by 'Law & Order' mention



Friday, May 27, 2005 Posted: 3:03 AM EDT (0703 GMT)




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay reacted angrily Thursday to this week's episode of "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" for what he called a "manipulation of my name" in the show.

The show's executive producer responded by accusing DeLay of trying to change "the spotlight from his own problems to an episode of a TV show."

The controversy centers around Wednesday's episode in which a police officer investigating a murder of a federal judge suggested putting out an all points bulletin for "somebody in a Tom DeLay T-shirt."

"This manipulation of my name and trivialization of the sensitive issue of judicial security represents a reckless disregard for the suffering initiated by recent tragedies and a great disservice to public discourse," DeLay wrote in a letter to NBC President Jeff Zucker.

"I can only assume last night's slur was in response to comments I have made in the past about the need for Congress to closely monitor the federal judiciary, as prescribed in our constitutional system of checks and balances."

DeLay has been an outspoken critic of what he calls "activist judges," recently saying Congress must take steps to rein in an "out-of-control judiciary."

Responding to DeLay's attack on "Law & Order," Dick Wolf, the show's executive producer and creator, made no apologies.

contined
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/27/delay.law.order/index.html


What goes around comes around.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 10:16 am
Anyone else here old enough to remember when activist judges were in favor of integration and allowing Black kids to go to school?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 12:56 pm
The Law and Order outcry is only an attempt to make people NOT see this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7739415/
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HOUSTON - A political committee formed by U.S. House of Representatives Majority Leader Tom DeLay broke Texas law by not disclosing more than $600,000 in mostly corporate contributions, a judge ruled in a case that adds to ethics questions swirling around the powerful Republican.

State District Judge Joe Hart in Austin made the ruling on Thursday in a lawsuit filed by five Democratic candidates defeated in 2002 by Republicans who received money from Texans for a Republican Majority, a political action committee founded by DeLay to help his party capture the Texas Legislature.

Hart awarded the Democrats a total of $196,660 in damages.


DeLay, the second-ranking Republican in the House, was not a defendant in the suit, which was filed against committee treasurer Bill Ceverha.

But the ruling was the latest setback for DeLay, who has been under fire recently over ethics questions involving fund-raising, foreign travel and his relationships with lobbyists. The finding could be a harbinger of the outcome of a criminal probe into the committee's activities, said the head of a campaign-finance watchdog group.

DeLay has said he was not involved in daily operations of the committee, created before the 2002 elections, and has accused Democrats of using partisan attacks to weaken him politically.

His attorney, Bobby Burchfield, said of Hart's ruling: "Tom DeLay is not mentioned anywhere in the decision, nor should he be. He wasn't involved at all in the case."

The Democrats charged that the committee did not report the corporate money and that it was used illegally, because Texas law forbids the use of corporate donations in political campaigns.

Ceverha argued that the money went toward administrative costs, not campaigns.

SHIFT IN CONTROL

The committee's efforts helped Republicans capture the Texas Legislature for the first time since Reconstruction after the U.S. Civil War. The shift led to a remapping of the state's congressional districts which ultimately increased the party's majority in the U.S. House.

Contributions to the committee should have been reported to the Texas Ethics Commission because "they were used in connection with a campaign for elective office," Hart wrote in his decision, which followed a trial in March.

He did not rule on whether the money was raised and spent illegally, but did find that most of the campaign contributions "were not, in fact, to finance the ... administration" of the committee.

The decision was a victory for clean politics, said Joe Crews, attorney for the Democrats.

"This is the first step in upholding the integrity of the Texas electoral process," Crews said. "It sends a very clear message to corporations and lobbyists and other folks that this sort of secretive, underhanded activity is against the law."

Ceverha attorney Terry Scarborough said in a statement that Hart's decision was "wrong" and would be appealed.

"Our client was exercising his constitutional rights of freedom of speech and freedom of association," he said.

The national Democratic Party, which has made DeLay a top target in the 2006 election, welcomed the decision.

"The long arm of the law finally caught up to the rule-breaking, power-abusing Tom DeLay," spokesman Josh Earnest said. "Tom DeLay can no longer assert that the rules of law and justice don't apply to him.

Although DeLay, who represents a Houston area district, was not a defendant in the suit, he is under investigation by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle in Austin for his part in the committee's activities.

He has not been charged, but three men with close ties to DeLay have been indicted for illegal fund-raising activities by the committee.

Hart's decision could be a harbinger of the criminal investigation because it found illegal actions by the committee, said Craig McDonald, head of Texans for Public Justice, a research group that tracks money in politics.

"I think this just bodes very badly for the criminal case and will have a major political impact on DeLay down the road," McDonald said.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 01:05 pm
parados, How much you wanna bet nothing is gonna come from this revelation? The guys made out of teflon, and even if the shet sticks, nothing bad happens to him.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 01:06 pm
The lie the Republicans in general and the neoconservatives in particular tell is that they hate big government and they favor freedom. They want their way and their way only.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 02:02 pm
That seems only obvious to moderates and liberals.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 07:40 am
au1929 wrote:
DeLay angered by 'Law & Order' mention



Friday, May 27, 2005 Posted: 3:03 AM EDT (0703 GMT)




WASHINGTON (CNN) --
....The controversy centers around Wednesday's episode in which a police officer investigating a murder of a federal judge suggested putting out an all points bulletin for "somebody in a Tom DeLay T-shirt."


I saw that episode and took note of the comment at the time.

LOL, I figured that somebody was going to say something.

I am a big fan of all four Law & Order series, not least because of the realistic dialog between the characters. However, I must confess that this line struck me as a little bit out-of-place, coming as as it does between cops and District Attorneys investigating the murder of judges.

These people tend to be down-to-earth types, at least on the job. Political comments and even political arguments do happen often in the series, because it is set in New York, where ethnic sensitivities are high. But in those cases, the conflicts are between ethnic groups because of something which happened on the street. This comment seems more appropriate on a cable TV political roundtable type show. It just didn't seem to belong in the realistic Law & Order world.

I don't like DeLay's philosophy, or his legislative plan. But in this instance, I'm not too surprised that he gave out a rejoinder.

Of course, he's a public figure now, so things can be said about him that could not be said about a private citizen, and that's part of the job. But he has the right to answer back about those things, and I think he had some justification here.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 09:17 am
Kudos, KW. WHether or not we think a political figure is a total crook, I think it is unethical and low to take potshots at them through an entertainment medium unless presented purely as humor i.e. Letterman and Leno. Even then, the jokes should be equal opportunity or they become purely another form of propaganda.

I thought Law & Order took a cheap shot at Delay. I thought the same when stuff like that was done to Clinton & Co. too.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 09:53 am
Fox, You have a twisted idea of what and how our government representatives can be presented to the general public. What's worse? 1. A president taking us to war on false pretenses, or 2. The president represented on TV as a "fictional" character as a liar and cheat?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 10:37 am
What is more twisted C.I.? Using an unrelated reference to accuse another member of having 'twisted ideas' because of an opinion re character assassination? Or suggesting that character assassination is not appropriate for an entertainiment medium no matter who the target is?

P.S. Tom Delay is not president of the United States.
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