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Should DeLay resign

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 02:52 pm
Betchya folks are wonderin' just whutinhell we're on about Laughing

Lemme know what you decide.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 02:53 pm
I think I could say somethin',
If you know what I mean.

But if I really say it,
a2k won't play it,
Unless I lay it between the lines.
Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 02:57 pm
Admire the discretion there, dyslexia - noble of ya. I know it musta been a trial Laughing
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 03:33 pm
nah, I been married.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 03:49 pm
Oh, yeah ... me too. Great training. Tough course to run, but if ya live through it ... Twisted Evil
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 04:46 pm
Without DeLay, the entire congress should resign -- they're just a mob of second rate attorneys and I suggest they regather at the bottom of the Mindinao Deep.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:23 pm
The real scandal of Tom DeLay



Monday, May 9, 2005 Posted: 12:14 PM EDT (1614 GMT)

WASHINGTON, D.C. (Creators Syndicate) -- Forget the freebie trips across the Atlantic and the Pacific. Forget the casinos and the allegedly illicit contributions -- they represent only degrees of avarice.

To grasp the moral bankruptcy of the public Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, you only have to know about Frank Murkowski and Saipan.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/index.html
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 06:51 pm
Lash writes

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Actually. I like Russian Thistle better.


Oh yeah? Just try working "Russian Thistle" into decent country lyrics.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 02:41 pm
This interesting information appears in the Houston Chronicle today:

May 19, 2005, 2:34PM

Prosecutor in probe of DeLay PAC raises funds for other side
By MICHAEL HEDGES

Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, who denies partisan motives for his investigation of a political group founded by Republican leader Tom DeLay, was the featured speaker last week at a Democratic fund-raiser where he spoke directly about the congressman.

A newly formed Democratic political action committee, Texas Values in Action Coalition, hosted the May 12 event in Dallas to raise campaign money to take control of the state Legislature from the GOP, organizers said.

Earle, an elected Democrat, helped generate $102,000 for the organization.

In his remarks, Earle likened DeLay to a bully and spoke about political corruption and the investigation involving DeLay, the House majority leader from Sugar Land, according to a transcript supplied by Earle.
"This case is not just about Tom DeLay. If it isn't this Tom DeLay, it'll be another one, just like one bully replaces the one before," Earle said.
"This is a structural problem involving the combination of money and power," he added. "Money brings power and power corrupts."
The crowd of 80 to 100 Democratic activists responded by making donations that exceeded the event's fund-raising goal.

Reasons for speaking

Earle and his staff of prosecutors have obtained indictments of three DeLay associates on charges that their political committee, the DeLay-led Texans for a Republican Majority, broke state campaign finance laws with the use of corporate donations on its way to helping establish Republican control in the state House.

Earle said Wednesday he knew the group that met in Dallas was raising money for Democrats, but that it was not his reason for speaking.
"I'd make the same speech to any group, Republican or Democrat, as long as the group was interested in honest, open government," Earle said in a telephone interview.

The prosecutor said he did not recall making other fund-raising speeches for anyone besides himself since he began investigating DeLay.
"We are investigating anybody who has committed a crime," he said when asked if DeLay is a target of the probe.

Political analysts said Earle's appearance left him open to questions about his motives.

"It may help Tom DeLay establish his case that Ronnie Earle's investigation is a partisan witch hunt," said Richard Murray, a political scientist with the University of Houston.

"It clearly fuels the perception that his investigation is politically motivated. It was probably not a wise move," said Larry Noble, a former Federal Election Commission lawyer who heads the watchdog group Center for Responsive Politics.

"It is somewhat less serious because he is a (Democratic) elected official," Noble said. "Otherwise, it would be a serious problem."
DeLay spokesman Dan Allen said Earle has wasted public money on an investigation that has amounted to a public relations campaign, "and now a fund-raising effort for Democrats by Mr. Earle."
'Pot-and-kettle' comparison

Allen said DeLay has not been contacted by Earle or any government investigator about anything related to the investigation.
Russell Langley, a co-founder of Texas Values in Action Coalition, said Earle was among those who inspired formation of the committee and that the prosecutor's participation in the campaign was proper.
"Throughout his career he has represented honesty and integrity in government. ... As long as he was raising money legally, we didn't see any problem with it," Langley said.

He added that he was not concerned about whether Earle's fund-raising appearance might compromise his stance as an independent investigator of potential crimes involving Republicans.
"We weren't worried about that, considering Tom DeLay's partisanship," he said. "That would really be a pot-and-kettle comparison."

Title of address

In his speech, titled "Public Safety and the Tone of Corruption in Government," Earle recounted some of his investigations of alleged public corruption by Democratic and Republican officeholders.
"He talked ... about improving ethics in government," said Marc Stanley, who hosted the party at his Dallas home. "There were a few questions about whether he was receiving pressure not to indict Tom DeLay. He answered that he lives out on a farm and he wasn't worried about pressure whatsoever."

Former House Speaker Jim Wright, a Fort Worth Democrat who was forced to resign from Congress in 1989 after the House Ethics Committee began investigating whether he improperly profited from a book publishing deal, was among those who attended the event. He is scheduled to speak at the committee's next fund-raiser in June.
DeLay has become a lightning rod for criticism by Democrats in Texas and elsewhere, especially because he led efforts to change the state's U.S. House district boundaries to the electoral advantage of Republicans.
Questions about his overseas travels, connections to lobbyists and political fund raising have become a rallying point for Democrats looking ahead to elections in 2006.

"I think Tom DeLay ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence," Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, told Massachusetts Democrats on Saturday.
Dallas lawyer Ed Ishmael, another co-founder of the Democratic committee to which Earle spoke, is described on the group's Web site as "a leader in the Howard Dean presidential campaign" of 2004.
[email protected]

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/metropolitan/3188696
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 03:49 pm
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... "This is a structural problem involving the combination of money and power," (Earle) added. "Money brings power and power corrupts."
The crowd of 80 to 100 Democratic activists responded by making donations that exceeded the event's fund-raising goal.
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So lemme see if I've got this straight here; Earle, who professes to eschew partisan politics, and to be free himself of such flaw, maintains money brings power and power corrupts, so Earle is out making partisan speeches to partisan groups in the interest of raising money to restore his party to power, thereby regaining his party's access to corruption. Is that about it?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:14 pm
That's what both parties are all about and if one isn't disgusted with it all by now, they'd best examine their own cognitive abilities and their powerful desire to remain in denial about our government.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:16 pm
Not much to argue with there, LW.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:36 pm
I swear.

If anyone decides to take action about it, I will give everything I have.

I'm tired of doing nothing about it.

I'm ready for change.

Real change.

I watched a segment on lobbying recently.

Other countries are paying for more influence than our own crooked PACs.

If I told you what I was thinking right now, I'd be arrested.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:40 pm
As I've said many times before, we must get rid of everybody in government and start from square one; and that includes (most, if not all) federal, state and local, both elected and appointed.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:45 pm
Our system of government has been perverted.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:58 pm
"system" interesting application of the word. Premise One of General Systems Theory is that any system may operate in failure mode, indefinitely. (see General Systems Theory, Von Bertalonfy) sp?
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:59 pm
In that case, our system is just fine.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 06:10 pm
Laughing
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:00 pm
Timber writes
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So lemme see if I've got this straight here; Earle, who professes to eschew partisan politics, and to be free himself of such flaw, maintains money brings power and power corrupts, so Earle is out making partisan speeches to partisan groups in the interest of raising money to restore his party to power, thereby regaining his party's access to corruption. Is that about it?


That's about it. And what do you bet the Earle will still insist he is non-partisan and pure as the driven snow?

Delay is certainly no angel and is deserving of the censures he has received. In his position he should be held to a higher standard.

But sometimes the double standard is almost overwhelming in these things.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:08 pm
timberlandko wrote:
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...so Earle is out making partisan speeches to partisan groups in the interest of raising money to restore his party to power....


Nope. You got it wrong. Earle is making nonpartisan speeches to partisan groups.

Please note the following article.

Houston Chronicle wrote:

In his speech, titled "Public Safety and the Tone of Corruption in Government," Earle recounted some of his investigations of alleged public corruption by Democratic and Republican officeholders.

So Earle's speech is about corruption on both sides.

If the partisan group chooses to hear him speak, fine. But they will hear Earle include both parties in his examination of corruption.
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