Robert Allen Zimmerman aka BOB DYLAN

Letty:-

I'm afraid I must have missed the point about WAVW.I thought it was a warning to both sexes to avoid each other.

Dylan Thomas was up the shooter.I've read two biogs of him and his collected letters.What do you know about Bob.He is dear to people around me.

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Well, Spendius, that's good to know. Please explain the Christian swing he took, what happened to Sara & where is Bob right now. I readily admit, my preference has been for his vintage material.

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I put down my robe, picked up my diploma,
Took hold of my sweetheart and away we did drive,
Straight for the hills, the black hills of Dakota,
Sure was glad to get out of there alive.
And the locusts sang, well, it give me a chill,
Yeah, the locusts sang such a sweet melody.
And the locusts sang with a high whinin' trill,
Yeah, the locusts sang and they was singing for me,
Singing for me, well, singing for me./quote]

Letty, Dylan Thomas is a great man, or at least an honest poet. I admire his way with words but can he sing?

"That other sun, the jealous coursing of the unrivalled blood." (written July 1941)

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Spendius, Well, Liz Taylor should have kept her distance from Richard Burton. Razz

I know very little about Bob Dylan, however--just his music and I picked up on that when I was at the University of Virginia. He was in fashion at that time.

Piffka, All I know about Dylan Thomas is that my sister's advisor pubbed around with the man, and that I was curious about his poem, "Go Not Gentle into that Good Night."

Incidentally, Remind me to watch my homonyms. That should have been WHO IS AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOLF.

Mathos, pardon, if you will, my interrupting the original thesis of your thread.

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I could never get into Dylan because he represented to me the first big singing star that couldn't sing and he opened the door for a bunch more and that's the pity.

A brilliant lyricist. Insightful, almost seer like. A spokesman for a generation and a guy with something to say besaide let's do it on the floor, I give him all his props for that.

But the thing is when you put a song out there, there has to be real vocals to go with it or it's just a poem set to music.

I think I see villagers with torches about to storm the castle. Uh oh.

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I could never get into Dylan because he represented to me the first big singing star that couldn't sing and he opened the door for a bunch more and that's the pity.

I disagree, I think he had a beautiful voice. Just listen to 'Mr Tambourine Man,' 'Gates of Eden,' and 'Visions of Johanna' - he had a brilliant voice! He wouldn't make a good opera singer of course, but in blues/rock n roll it just sounds wrong if you hit all the notes perfectly. So nyah!

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agrote wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:
I could never get into Dylan because he represented to me the first big singing star that couldn't sing and he opened the door for a bunch more and that's the pity.

I disagree, I think he had a beautiful voice. Just listen to 'Mr Tambourine Man,' 'Gates of Eden,' and 'Visions of Johanna' - he had a brilliant voice! He wouldn't make a good opera singer of course, but in blues/rock n roll it just sounds wrong if you hit all the notes perfectly. So nyah!

You may disagree with impunity of course. That's the great thing about music. Different strokes for differents folks as Sly so succinctly put it. :wink:

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Piffka:-

I don't think it was a "Christian swing" in the usual sense.It depends on what the symbolism of the cross means.I certainly never noticed any prominent Christians jumping all over Dylan as one might have thought they would.He does use a few codes and diversionary tactics it seems to me.He might have been testing the theology out or doing the "any port in a storm" routine.
I have no idea what happened to the lady you mention.She took plenty dough with her wherever she went.
I gather Bob is in the USA at the moment.He will be trying to make the time more easy passing I should think.He's done enough for me for ever.I sometimes ponder what it would be like if he had never happened.It causes me to shudder.There's no way anyone else could be inside those shoes.He didn't slot into a niche.
The song you quoted has something about heads exploding.And avoiding the bits.Yeah well.The sweet pretty things are in bed now of course.That the sort of thing you mean?Great-sure.But Grain of Sand is great too.Philip Larkin rated Tambourine Man the best song ever written and he knew the top ten thousand.He has a few himself if you like gallows humour.

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Listen BVTH:-

Find yourself a bootleg copy of the l984 Verona Every Grain Of Sand.The albums are a bit tame by the side of the live stuff.He only puts them out so we can learn the words because you need to know the words when you go see him.He sounds like a concrete mixer with six bricks in it if you don't know the words.Then you hear singing.Not every time though.He has off days like all of us.

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And now the end is near

And so I face the final cur......tittertittertittertehehe

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Like the Vein man, I too was horrified by his singing at first. But what did I have to compare it with at my house? Burl Ives? The Limelighters?
Eventually, after having performed for over 30 years in bars and roadhouses with a crummy voice and lots of ambition, I found that passion is everything. When I sing with passion the audience is mesmerized. Without it the crowd goes on socializing.
Dylan had passion in spades and Tambourine Man is a good example. I haven't heard him lately so I don't know if the passion dissipated with wealth and fame.

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Odd, spendius. BobSmyth is going to do a Sinatra song on Karaoke tonight.

I sorta liked Dylan's raspy voice, panz. You're right. We usually sing for ourselves, and passion is the key. I'm not certain how Dylan would sound a capella, however, and that's the true test of voice, that and intonation.

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spendius wrote:

Piffka:-

Well mate,I made a start.It was "good ball" surely?
You can catch and run can't you.Then do so.Let's get going on Dylan's philosophy.I would be interested in what anybody serious has to say about that.

Regards.

At last, or as Zimmerman himself may have said," This makes sense Morris," sorry he amended that, "This makes perfect sense Morris."

I was beginning to consider 'The Philosophers' in here were simply idling away the hours:-

Mama's in the fac't ry
She ain't got no shoes
Daddy's in the alley
He's lookin' for the fuse
I'm in the streets
With the tombstone blues.

I was feeling like Zimmerman!'

I can highly recommend Northern Lights Spendius.

Poor Cyracuz, he opted out :- Should have kept hold of the reins Old Chap:-

'Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you Mr Jones?'

Break it down Spendius, I am all ears !

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Cyracuz wrote:

Mathos, thou speakest with flowers too great for coherency.
Thus what weight thy words may sustain is lost in your rethoric's perfumed haze.

(quote="agrote")
Yes! That's a much better way of putting it. I salute thee, Cyracuz. Mathos, bow your head in shame![/quote]

Zimmerman said :-
"You raise up your head
And you ask, 'Is this where it is?'
And somebody points to you and says
'It's his'
And you say, 'What's mine?'
And somebody else say's 'Where what is?'
And you say, 'Oh my God
Am I here all alone?'

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Letty wrote:

Spendius, Well, Liz Taylor should have kept her distance from Richard Burton. I know very little about Bob Dylan, however--just his music and I picked up on that when I was at the University of Virginia. He was in fashion at that time.

Piffka, All I know about Dylan Thomas is that my sister's advisor pubbed around with the man, and that I was curious about his poem, "Go Not Gentle into that Good Night."

Incidentally, Remind me to watch my homonyms. That should have been WHO IS AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOLF.

Mathos, pardon, if you will, my interrupting the original thesis of your thread.

Would Zimmerman pardon you Letty?

"Lay, lady, lay, lay across my big brass bed
Stay, lady, stay, stay while the night is still ahead
I long to see you in the morning light
I long to reach for you in the night
Stay, lady, stay, stay while the night is still ahead"

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Piffka wrote:

Well, Spendius, that's good to know. Please explain the Christian swing he took, what happened to Sara & where is Bob right now. I readily admit, my preference has been for his vintage material.

Quote:
I put down my robe, picked up my diploma,
Took hold of my sweetheart and away we did drive,
Straight for the hills, the black hills of Dakota,
Sure was glad to get out of there alive.
And the locusts sang, well, it give me a chill,
Yeah, the locusts sang such a sweet melody.
And the locusts sang with a high whinin' trill,
Yeah, the locusts sang and they was singing for me,
Singing for me, well, singing for me./quote]

You enrolled Piffka, This should be REALLY interesting !

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Mathos, I don't think that Bob Dylan would give a rat's patute--a rebel, you know.

"Lay, Lady, Lay" has fond memories for me because of the context within which I heard it. (damn, that's a walrus of a sentence)

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He had good cause to be a Rebel Letty!

That was a walrus of a titillating sentence, Foxy Lady !

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<smile> and now from a walrus to a fox to a frog:

I just discovered that Dylan did a version of Froggie Went a courtin'. The words were a far cry from what my mother used to sing, and I suspect her version was handed down from her ancestors in Wales. Virginians are big on oral tradition, Mathos.

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Dylan was attuned to the oral tradition of music from the Isles. Witness his haunting rendition of House Carpenter Letty Betty.

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