Robert Allen Zimmerman aka BOB DYLAN

Re: Zimmerman

Brandon9000 wrote:

I am not convinced this inquiry is genuiune ...

I've never thaught so :wink:

When this thread started, it was quite funny.

But by now ... childish or somehow related to this?

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Me neither, but I gave the author of the thread the benefit of the doubt.

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Mathos, when you have such a formidable collection of Dylan's records, then why do you come to A2K for answers. Don't get me wrong, you are very welcome. It's just that there is no way in the world you can get a better answer here than you can by listening to the records.

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Zimmerman
Walter, would you define your use of the word 'childish?' Panzade, the photograph is welcomed, thank you. Is there the remotest chance that you may be Zimmerman?
Phoenix, do you reside along the banks of 'The Chao Phraya' by chance?

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It's not one of my best shots I must ad...uh...
Can I just say that my understanding of Walters use of childish, from a Teutonic interpretation...he meant: full of wonder and innocence...child like.

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Thanks for that clarification, panzade :wink:

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bitte

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Ah ! The Celts from Jutland are mustering again. Thank you gentlemen.

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Hey.... I love Dylan -- his work does speak for itself, but Mathos, if you want to talk Dylan, I'm here for ya.

Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"

Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God says, "Out on Highway 61."

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United States Highway 61 is the official designation for a United States highway that once ran from New Orleans through Memphis and Iowa through Duluth, Minnesota all the way to Thunder Bay, Ontario in Canada. It was an important north-south connection in the days before the interstate highway system. Many southerners, particularly black southerners, travelled north along Highway 61 to go to St. Louis. (It did not run to Chicago, as often presumed by some fledgling blues afficiandos).

The road is also known as the Blues Highway, as it runs through the Mississippi delta country which was an important source of blues music. Both Son Thomas ("Highway 61") and Mississippi Fred McDowell ("61 Highway") wrote songs about it, and many Mississippians, such as Muddy Waters and Bo Diddley took the blues to Chicago along the route.

The junction of Highway 61 and Highway 49 was the famous crossroads where Robert Johnson supposedly sold his soul to the Devil in exchange for mastery of the blues.

Blues singer Bessie Smith died in an automobile accident on Highway 61. Ike Turner's "Delta Cats" drove up Highway 61 to Memphis to record "Rocket 88", one of the first rock and roll records. Elvis Presley grew up in housing projects along it and Martin Luther King, Jr. was shot in a motel on Highway 61.

All these connections led Bob Dylan to commemorate the highway in the title song of his album Highway 61 Revisited.

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And Dylan was born & raised in Minnesota, so Hwy. 61 would be a big deal to him. The references to the O.T. reference his Jewish background (which was very unusual in MN).

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One might accuse me of holding court in the local of an evening regarding this Zimmerman chappie, but George, the Landlord has banned most articles of interest over the years :- The Juke Box was removed,(we listen to radio two now) dart board went, swearing in the vault was outlawed, smoking except in a designated area is taboo, and standing around the bar area is a no go . Discussions are just about tolerated. However, one of the locals, bless him, has given me a book, 'Bob Dylan writings and drawings.' Several pages are missing noticeably after but not including 236 to 271. 271 has a few interesting lines from Zimmerman:-
She's sixty eight but she says she's twenty four,
I ain't gonna work for Maggies ma no more.

I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
No. I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
Well. I try my best
To be just like I am,
But everybody wants you to be just like them,
They sing while you slave and I just get bored.
I ain't goanna work on Maggie's farm no more.

Do you think it appropriate to consider that Zimmerman already had alternative employment in his sights?

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Why do you insist on calling him Zimmerman?

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Cyracuz :- The only name he had bestowed upon himself is Zimmerman, there are no known records available to support Zimmerman ever having his name changed by deed poll for example. I would consider it highly unlikely that you my friend walk into your local (assuming there are such wonderful places in Norway) and get greeted with 'Hello Cyracuz'.

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Welcome to A2K, Mathos. I suspect that Zimmerman/Dylan was simply pandering to the popular music monarchs and musical culture of the time. Don McLean in his song, American Pie, referred to him as The Jester, and that is what he did. Entertained the court. I really don't think that there is much mystery in his nature.

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What makes you think I'm racist, mathos?

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Letty, Thank you for your warm greeting.I think you have made a very valuable contribution with your comments. Certainly Zimmerman himself appears to shrug off any criticism of his work, neither defending or strenghtening his various lyrical statements. This adds to my search. Agrote:- Excuse me, I do not for one minute think you are racist. I enquired if you were due to your warlike criticisms of my style and mode of writing. It is this style which I use and regard as normal, I have not taken umbrage with you, in fact your approach is quite comical to me, I may even consider it to be hilarious, those feelings I am entitled to. I hope this clarifies the situation. PS There has just been a further earthquake 8.5 scale off the coast of Sumatra.

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Maggie's Farm... great song. I think of that as part of Dylan's country-western period along with Lay Lady Lay & several others.

This was my introduction to Dylan...

Quote:

Johnny's in the basement
Mixing up the medicine
I'm on the pavement
Thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat
Badge out, laid off
Says he's got a bad cough
Wants to get it paid off
Look out kid
It's somethin' you did
God knows when
But you're doin' it again
You better duck down the alley way
Lookin' for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap
In the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten

Maggie comes fleet foot
Face full of black soot
Talkin' that the heat put
Plants in the bed but
The phone's tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early May
Orders from the D. A.
Look out kid
Don't matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Don't try "No Doz"
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don't need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

Get sick, get well
Hang around a ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell
If anything is goin' to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid
You're gonna get hit
But users, cheaters
Six-time losers
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin' for a new fool
Don't follow leaders
Watch the parkin' meters

Ah get born, keep warm
Short pants, romance, learn to dance
Get dressed, get blessed
Try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts
Don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schoolin'
And they put you on the day shift
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
Don't wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
Don't wanna be a bum
You better chew gum
The pump don't work
'Cause the vandals took the handles

I thought it was clever and loads of fun to sing (when I could remember the words) while being an interesting expression of the strictures & foibles of American culture.

Mathos, about this gardener who died, was his first name George? There's a song called George Jackson.

Earthquake??? Akkkk... must go check. Thanks for telling us, but... Sad

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agrote wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Perhaps that's just his style agrote.

Perhaps we shold discuss what it is about it that pushed your buttons so.

Were you hurt by a member of Parliament or Lord of the manor growing up? If so let's talk about it and work through it. In just a few short days I have come to believe this is a warm and caring group and I would certainly feel comfortable discussing anything personal or painful with them.

Yeah when I was 3 I was walking in the park with my mum, and suddenly an ordinary man dressed as an MP flew right at me and started trying to speak really formally, but failed completely because he had no grasp of Standard English (or Standard American English) - I had nothing against people choosing not to speak formally, because there's rarely any need to, and there's nothing wrong with speaking in your regional dialect, internet sociolect, or whatever. But I was shocked so much by the fake MP's ridiculous attempts to sound intelligent and polite and all that that I ran away screaming, and ever since that day I've had a phobia of people who try to speak formally in inappropriate situations and fail completely.

agrote, I empathize with your feelings and extend my heartfelt wishes for the grace to see you through this pain.

When I was three, a clown squirted seltzer in my face so I know exactly what it is you're saying. God bless and keep you and remember all things work to the plan of the Lord. One day we will both be granted peace and understanding.

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Mathos, thanks for the info about the earthquake. I just posted your alert on WA2K radio. I didn't think that you would mind.

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