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"The value of nihilistic thinking."

 
 
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 10:19 am
@livinglava,
But your statements are largely based upon nothing but pure guess work.Sorry guess work and assumptions are not persuasive enough for me.You should be able to see evidence of all the transitions between all the different animal types in minute detail in the geological records....... come on!!! I thought evolution was supposed to be based upon scientific facts?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 10:20 am
@Setanta,
Dodgy ain’t ya

Can you point out anything in my post that YOU called out as talking about 'god' or not. Further, can you even point out any claim that is not accurate?

If not, you are full of ****.
livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 11:07 am
@Jasper10,
Jasper10 wrote:

But your statements are largely based upon nothing but pure guess work.Sorry guess work and assumptions are not persuasive enough for me.You should be able to see evidence of all the transitions between all the different animal types in minute detail in the geological records....... come on!!! I thought evolution was supposed to be based upon scientific facts?

Which assumption is based on guess work? The frog skeletons decomposing? The mud having to harden to retain a fossil imprint?

What evidence do you think your rejection of evolution is based on? All you said was that there isn't sufficient fossil evidence for you to believe in evolution, but I just told you why fossils mostly don't form when things die.

You can't base a theory on lack of evidence. My evidence lies in the fact that different offspring from the same parents differ. You can extrapolate that variation causes diversity and when conditions change, certain variations are better adapted to survive.

How can you deny variation and conditional-survival when that is what's going on everywhere all the time. Give any example of death that wasn't conditioned by some trait(s) of the dying organism in combination with its environmental conditions.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 11:28 am
@livinglava,
Sorry your arguments are not persuasive enough.There would be a large proportion of bone evidence that survived as there are for dinosaur bones.You are going to have try harder to persuade me.It sounds as if you are desperate to come up with anything.Why choose a frog as an example. ? give me evidence with bones in it.
livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 11:36 am
@Jasper10,
Jasper10 wrote:

Sorry your arguments are not persuasive enough.There would be a large proportion of bone evidence that survived as there are for dinosaur bones.You are going to have try harder to persuade me.It sounds as if you are desperate to come up with anything.Why choose a frog as an example. ? give me evidence with bones in it.

Frogs have bones. Bones decompose.

There is an example of an experiment where some breeders started selectively breeding wild foxes for friendliness and after a number of generations (I don't remember how many), the offspring were like domestic dogs in their physical as well as behavioral traits.

The point is that there is variation built into organisms so when they breed and multiply, there is variation in the offspring. Then if there is some selection pressure that causes some individuals to die before reproducing, while others don't; then the population gradually changes to reflect the dominant trait of the survivors.

Haven't you seen the example of moths that were light in color before the industrial revolution, but turned dark in color after the trees all got stained by sooty air from the factories? It is because the light colored moths that were camouflaged on the trees before they darkened became more visible to birds/predators on the darkened tree bark, and so they got eaten while the darker colored ones survived and reproduced.
https://faqbite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/evolution-1-1.jpg

Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 11:42 am
@Leadfoot,
That is the most sh*theaded dodge of them all. Who do you allege "designed" DNA? Why haven't you answered that question?
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 11:46 am
@livinglava,
You come to your only point, a silly point, and basically, a demonstration of your hatefulness. I don't experience hell in my life. I neither seek our nor seek to avoid the religious types. Nutters I avoid or send on their way. To point out that contempt and hate are not synonymous is not splitting hairs. But you certainly show your true, hateful character with your insistence on that.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 11:49 am
@livinglava,
Desperation again...I’m not going on about the bones that compose I’m after evidence for the bones that don’t.Are you saying there is no evidence for that? Be clear..As for the foxes tale well I do accept variations in dog kinds and horse kinds.I get that as a possibility i.e a horsey looking thing can change into another horsey looking thing over time and the same for the dog kind and other animal kinds but that is not proof of evolution at all that’s just desperation again.As for the moth well...there will be a non evolutionary theory that will come out of the wash I’m sure purely based on the complete lack of evidence everywhere else.BONE evidence is what is needed.If this theory was put forward today it would fail at the first hurdle.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 03:58 pm
@Setanta,
I thought not.

You either did not read or more likely did not comprehend what the design claim was. It wasn’t DNA.
I’m sure you don’t care and I don’t have the patience to explain it to you.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 07:19 pm
@Leadfoot,
When I asked you who the designer is, I thought not, as in you would not answer. I do have the patience, and I will continue to ask you who the designer is. You dodge that like no one's busniess.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 07:23 pm
Leadfoot wrote:
It is the symbolic nature of DNA's language that required 'design'.


This is from the post that I linked. You really shouldn't lie about such things, they are too easily revealed.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 07:33 pm
@Setanta,
You poor man, you really don’t understand.
Was Shakespeare known for the paper he wrote on or what he wrote on it.

Unfortunately the author did not sign his/her/its design so I cannot answer that question.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 07:41 pm
@Leadfoot,
That post has the stench of willful deceit. Do you really think anyone considers you honest when you claim that you don't know who the designer is? Do you think anyone is fooled? Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 07:56 pm
@Setanta,
That’s precious, Setanta quoting scripture.

Hey, you want to talk theology? I’m in!
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2020 08:23 pm
I quote scripture routinely when dealing with the so-called christians. You bob and weave, but you're really not very good at this. In the early years of this site there was a member who called himself "real life." He was a fixture of threads about evolution, and he was, or tried to be, very slick about it. For example, he quoted someone who said that he had recognized the metacarpal of a child. He then derided the author of the piece, saying how could he possibly know what the bone was, or how old it was. So I did a literal word search and came up with the article, of which he had only quoted the last passages. The opening of the article included his credentials, and his statement that he was searching that area because he thought it likely that he might find hominim remains, and for which he knew the age from the stratigraphy. So the member "real life" dropped that one and went looking for other material to sneer at.

He left here nearly seven years before you arrived. He was dismayed by the prospect of Mr. Obama being elected, and the certain slide of the nation into the evils of socialism. You two would have gotten along famously.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Fri 22 May, 2020 01:00 am
@Leadfoot,
Hey Leadfoot,whilst you’re looking into your bible can you have a look to see if there are any rules mentioned.I have a problem now that the 2 off biological computers have cancelled themselves out and are computing that nothing matters, there is no such thing as morality etc etc...I need rules...
laughoutlood
 
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Reply Fri 22 May, 2020 03:01 am
@Jasper10,
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We can’t get a way from the overwhelming evidence for design in creation and the non existent evidence supporting all the slowly morphing creatures in the supposed billions of years rock formations.I do go off facts and not fantasies.


Oh sweet child Jasper, the computers in your head are playing up you say, and there's no evolution.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Fri 22 May, 2020 03:51 am
@laughoutlood,
Thankyou for this.I love it.Not heard it before.x
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 22 May, 2020 05:28 am
@Jasper10,
Quote:
Hey Leadfoot,whilst you’re looking into your bible can you have a look to see if there are any rules mentioned.I have a problem now that the 2 off biological computers have cancelled themselves out and are computing that nothing matters, there is no such thing as morality etc etc...I need rules...

OK, as long as theology is allowed I can answer.

My perception of what the Bible says is that we should not look to external rules written on paper or stone. That is what the people following Moses wanted. They were tired of the stress of not knowing what to do so they asked for a clear definition of exactly what that is. That is not the way God wanted to interact with Man but he respected their request and gave them the best written version of what he wanted.

But that is not what he ultimately wanted. He said he wanted the 'rules' to be written in our hearts (whatever you conceive 'hearts' to mean). He wanted us to see things from a higher perspective and be able to see, understand the value in, and want to do those things that increase the joy of all involved.
If you want and seek that, he said you will find it. He didn’t say it would be easy.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 22 May, 2020 05:42 am
@laughoutlood,
'Purple' sounds like a cry for meaning to me.
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