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"The value of nihilistic thinking."

 
 
popeye1945
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2021 09:01 pm
@Jasper10,
Jasper, Are you saying you experience a manifest god as an everyday experience?
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popeye1945
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2021 09:04 pm
@Jasper10,
Jasper, Do you or any of your friends experience a manifest god, in your day-to-day life?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 05:33 am
@popeye1945,
Would you say/not say that if God/Devil exists then they would be embroiled within EVERYONES day to day experiences? Everything is interconnected/embroiled as in the physical...how can this not be the case? If there is a spiritual element to it all then would this spiritual element not be interconnected/embroiled as well? As no one can prove definitely that God/Devil do or don't exist then it is foolish to just take stance that they don't based purely on the fact the no definite proof is available to confirm that they either do or don't.
popeye1945
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2021 10:48 pm
@Jasper10,
Jasper, From your statement there, then is no reason not to believe any fictional character, and it drastically mutates ones thinking. It is a full-time job dealing with reality, without jumping into the supernatural to embrace a fantasy life.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2021 03:33 am
@popeye1945,
The statement is logically sound.

The issue you have is that you remain a SPECTATOR.
popeye1945
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2021 08:19 am
@Jasper10,
JASPER, Please expand on your statement, I am a spectator to what?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2021 09:25 am
@popeye1945,
Well one can just treat this as JUST a philosophical debate and remain separate (SPECTATOR) from the experience of it all OR one can truly acknowledge SELF and accept that every part of who you are IS embroiled (PLAYER) within the substance of what the philosophical debate speaks of including the possibility that there maybe a SPIRITUAL element to it. It is a well known FACT that this idea scares secular scientists. They REMAIN spectators therefore with their one sided views/opinions that they can't definitively PROVE.
popeye1945
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2021 01:29 pm
@Jasper10,
Jasper, I do not wish to continue in dialogue with you. I do not debate religious people, I have found it a waste of time. By the way, you do know that preaching isn't allowed on this site don't you?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2021 01:46 pm
@popeye1945,
I am not preaching to you or anyone.
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popeye1945
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2021 06:24 pm
It has been said, that Christianity and of course Judaism are the first nihilistic belief systems. As they devalue the here and now of being and being in the world, for an imaginary world. The pie in the sky type of magical thinking, as opposed to reality.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2021 01:21 am
@popeye1945,
There is positive and negative nihilism.You need to consider both.
popeye1945
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2021 11:06 am
@Jasper10,
Jasper, please expand on what you call positive nihilism. Do you mean a personal definition.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2021 11:26 am
@popeye1945,
Listen don’t shoot the messenger.

The reasoning behind negative nihilism is that as one cannot prove definitively that God doesn’t exist then one cannot state as FACT that good is bad and bad is good and as a result no morals exist.I use the terms 1,0 for good and bad.

Good could be Good and Bad could be Bad.If this is true then morals would exist.

The reasoning goes that one needs to be open minded enough to accept that good and bad are different.Nihilism (+ve) can still be maintained as an alternative to negative nihilism.

At the end of the day it is only about recognising this possibility as this may affect ones overall reasoning outputs.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2021 12:10 pm
@Jasper10,
Hypothetically, if one designed a biological machine which has competing reasonings one could just programme it such that when one reasoning reads 0 the other reasoning only ever reads 1.

However,one could also programme it such that when one reasoning reads 0 or 1 the other reasoning can read either 0 or 1.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2021 02:32 am
@Jasper10,
The first programming option above could be used to justify that free will does not exist.The second programming option could be used to justify that free will does exist.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2021 01:29 am
@Jasper10,
NOTHING should come out of Nihilism NOTHING as in no further REASONINGS.The FACT is with man further reasonings do come out.These reasonings are either positive OR negative reasonings.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 2 Feb, 2021 02:58 am
@Jasper10,
Some people choose NOT TO hope that God exists (some people will use other words) based upon no definitive carnal PROOF,however they do have the choice TO hope that God exists as well based upon no definitive carnal PROOF ...Why?….because NEITHER side of the fence has any definitive carnal proof.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2021 01:41 am
@Jasper10,
There is no such thing as TRUE nihilism....one either has a positive or negative nihilistic view.
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