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Prince Charles to marry his slag

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 10:37 am
Some of us read english written by english speakers from England though, and understand the other meaning of the word.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 10:54 am
It was still a good pun though.

I'm just a bloody arse.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 11:40 am
Yeah, it was a fine pun.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 12:36 pm
McTag observed:

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I think Diana's private persona was much different from her public face.
I don't wish any harm on the reputation or the person of either.



Hear, hear.

Meanwhile, the taxpayers own the goldfish bowl.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:23 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
McTag observed:

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I think Diana's private persona was much different from her public face.
I don't wish any harm on the reputation or the person of either.



Hear, hear.

Meanwhile, the taxpayers own the goldfish bowl.


Interestingly, the privacy laws in France are completely different about what newspapers are allowed to publish, even about "public" figures.

The kind of photo-journalism and comment articles common in Britain (and also in the US, though your tabloids are not as rabid as ours, and have more taste) is against the law in France. Only in clear cases of public interest can private details and unofficial photos be published.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 03:09 pm
McTag wrote:
I don't agree that Camilla was much, if anything, to do with Diana's problems, not personally.

I think Diana's private persona was much different from her public face.
I don't wish any harm on the reputation or the person of either.

I think Camilla, like the rest of us, deserves a little happiness in her life and people should get off her case.


100% in agreement, McT.

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I'll add that I'm still very offended by the use of the term slag to refer to ANY woman. It is VERY rude, and unnecessary.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 06:12 pm
watched part of a program on the history channel that dealt with the car accident that killed diana , dodi and their driver. a.t. to the program the french (police and other government agencies) have been very secretive when dealing with this matter.
apparently the british authorities have not been given full access to do independent testing. the car is still sitting in a sealed container in a locked compound near paris.
there was even the suggestion that the tests re. blood alcohol etc. of the driver may have come from another body since there were as many as twenty bodies in the morgue and that there "may have been a mixup".
of course, one can't be quite sure how the program was put together, still somewhat interesting. hbg
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 06:24 pm
ossobuco wrote:

KelticW, I am something of a fan of yours, but do you mean to say no western woman cannot , er, just mate, when she wants to?

Thanks, I'm a fan of yours, too.

Ossobuco, I think the use of the term "slag" here is probably an indicator of the author's, (and my) total disgust with the activity around Diana.


It is not uncommon for people to meet others outside of marriage and have affairs. Not the ideal thing, of course, but not uncommon. And I normally don't judge this.

However, my objections to the behavior of this whole business is that Diana was wooed as a 19 year old, by a fellow who had a thing going on with someone else at the time and had no intention of ending it. It is one thing when the bloom goes off the rose of marriage and people start looking elsewhere. Here, Diana had no real chance right from the beginning. Seems to me when a man marries a woman, whatever else happens, he owes her the chance to make it work the ideal way. Not Charles.

Couple this with the ages of the people involved. Diana was 19. Charles and Camilla were well over 30. There is something really ugly about two older people sneering together while the young, unknowing one is led to a situation that they both think she is trapped in and can do nothing about.

Add to the fact that the Queen worried about Diana's extreme popularity with the people. Probably one of the reasons the Queen worried was that if Charles and Camilla's affair became public, the monarchy might lose popularity because the people favored Diana. So to put her in her place, the Queen ostracized her. Did Charles defend his wife? No. Why should he? Part of the reason the Queen was dumping on Diana was to prevent her from getting the upper hand in any conflict between Diana and Charles about Camilla.


And when Diana fell victim to post-partum depression, the family used that as an excuse to dump on her further. In the monarchy world, popularity is power, (that kind of is their present reason for being, isn't it?) and Diana's potential power was enormous.

All this happened, or started happening, to a 19 year old. The function of the older is to teach the younger. Everywhere Diana looked, there was an older, more experienced person who was looking to bring her down one way or the other. An ugly situation, performed by the same family which offered up Diana and Charles as the model of elegant and gracious living.

So that is the reason the word slag was used here. It's not that anyone means to say that woman involved in a relationship outside of marriage can be put down by anyone who feels like it. I suppose it could be said that Camilla's actions were not the worst or most vicious of the bunch. But she was involved in it, and I think people such as the author of this thread was searching for a word to express his disgust with the whole bunch of them.

For that matter, saying that a man has "married his slag" is hardly complimentary to the man, either.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 06:50 pm
kelticwizard : i would agree with you.
let me say that this whole "royal business" has gone on far too long imo (and that's from a canadian who at one time thought, the "royal business" couldn't do much harm).
to put it simply, diana was used - in the true sense of the word - to produce "royal heirs" and cast aside when she had fullfilled her duty and became inconvenient.
if charles would have decided to marry camilla instead of diana, i don't think there would have been as much dirty business; but apparently camilla was not considered a "fit companion" for charles - it all seems like a bad hollywood movie to me. hbg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 07:48 pm
I see your points.

I haven't read all that much about this whole mishagas. And if I continue to use mishigas I'm going to have to learn how to spell it.

Still, slag is a word like excrement is, filled with pungency. The imprecation is very strong and seems loaded to one person in a generally mixed use scenario..
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 02:26 pm
prince charles
ossobucco : it seems that different versions of spelling ...MESHUGA...MESHUGE... are acceptable. i think it's pretty well a universal expression and everyone seems to know what it means, no matter how you spell it.

i agree with you too, ossobucco. the expression "slag" is really not necessary. would it not have been better to call the royals "meshuge" - many would agree on that, no matter the spelling.
the whole thing is water under the bridge anyway, and the "royals" have behaved strangely for generations, yet a lot of people not only find it acceptable but praise them ! go figure - i know i'm getting old and crotchety. nice to have an exchange with you, ossobucco .
btw usually when ehbeth and her dogs visit mrs h cooks up a special broth for the dogs using ossobucco, but this weekend they'll be getting oxtail-broth. hope they'll be satisfied - the dogs i mean. hbg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 07:15 pm
Hamburger, I would be pleased to meet you and Mrs. and certainly your fine daughter. I am tantalized that sometime when there is an a2k meeting in your environs that I could possibly travel there. Who knows, life is both complicated and short, but I'd like to sit and talk with you one day.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 02:38 pm
hi , ossobucco ! thanks for your kind note. bailey and cleo ( THE ALL IMPORTANT DOGS ) arrived at noon today - oh yes, they brought ehbeth with them for a long weekend. we were greeted with plenty of licks and jumping up-and-down.
mrs h had the oxtail-broth ready for the poor starving darlings, and they agreed to have a bowlfull of extra-special kibble with broth - aren't they generous ?
it's finally raining today after an extremely dry may - the driest sice 1921 with only a trce of rain -, but tomorrow we'll all be out taking a nice long walk along lake ontario.
wishing you a great weekend, hbg, bailey, cleo, mrs h and ehbeth.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:08 pm
Smiling...
it's 57 here, around two in the afternoon, and will rain off and on for the next day or two.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 05:40 pm
prince charles ...
a great deal of information about the monarchy is available from the...OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF THE BRITISH MONARCHY...
you can even send an email to the queen (perhaps you want to give her some advice on how to bring up charles ?), and you can also inquire about job vacancies in the royal household (being a "fly on the wall" perhaps ?).
it's really quite an interesting website and it has a wonderful PURPLE colour . hbg
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 02:56 am
Dear Hbg,

I found I could not read the screen while I was standing to attention.

McT
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 11:22 am
mct : don't you know you are to bow deeply ?
that's what i do when meeting liz or phil(his german is impeccable - jawohl !). hbg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 01:00 pm
prince charles ...
my dear mctag : i'm sure you would want to pay proper respect to the "german" side of our royal rulers. i found a website that gives a thorough explanation of the "mountbatten/battenberg" family. the website is in german, but i am sure you'll have no trouble reading it. hbg
...EIN DEUTSCHES ADELIGES HAUS IN ENGLAND...
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shepaints
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 05:14 pm
Camilla's grandmother, Mrs. Keppel, mistress to the king, was said to be appalled when his son, Edward Vll abdicated in order to marry "the woman he loved", the twice divorced Wallis Simpson. She thought it was unseemly to give up the throne.

What thoughts on personal happiness vs duty and responsibility?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 09:22 pm
I would say Mrs Simpson and her charms were a godsend.

Edward was buddies with Hitler.

Can you imagine the situation if he was King during WWII?
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