cburg2006 wrote:REX...you dont realize who i am yet...im in the play. we have actually gotten kinda close i think.
You're right, I don't realize who you are, because I can't read minds and you haven't told me.
And if we're "kinda close you think", why don't you tell me who you are?
shakenbutnotstirred wrote:How are you counseling us? You haven't told us what we have done wrong OR what we can do to make it different.
Read my first post, genius. Maybe if you would look at the bigger picture you would change your flawed one-sided views on the world.
Quote:Also, what is an example of any of us NOW (because I will be the first to admit to a not so great past...but I have changed) say one thing and doing another?
Saying you're Christians and not acting like it in several ways.
Quote:When are you going to admit that you were wrong?
When I'm actually wrong.
Quote:because you have ripped anyone and everyone who has gotten on here to defend us and yet you say you haven't chosen sides
I haven't chosen sides. I haven't "ripped" anyone either, unless you view pointing out someone's flaws with the intention of them realizing them and correcting them the same as "ripping them". And along that line, I've "ripped" the people against you as much as I've "ripped" you--because, like I said, nobody's right if everybody's wrong. Thus, I've chosen no side.
Quote:...that you are merely counseling us...well you haven't helped in any way...in fact you are making our lives worse and hard to live because we questioning wether we are good people
Life isn't eay. Questioning things isn't easy. But it's those times that make us.
Pain is itself a quintessance. The taskmaster of life. Pain cracks the whip, and everything moves. It can be a slavemaster and break you-- and it can be the power that makes you unbreakable.
What it is depends on who you are.
Choose, and act.
Quote:...we know we have flaws and we want to change whatever it is that people are seeing negatively...but NO ONE has told us what that is.
Are you not listening? Stop acting like you're holier than everyone else, quite being hypocritical, and learn to practice humility in your life.
Quote:I really want to see an example of one of us shoving the Bible or anything for that matter down someones throat
WHAT IN THE WORLD MORE DO YOU WANT?! Read this whole thread...from 00 Agent Kid's post on page 1 all the way through. If you can't see enough examples laid out there, then I've not the time nor the inclination to carry on this discussion with you.
Quote:aren't you being a hypocrite right now then...you are telling us not to do it...yet you are shoving your opinions down our throat
Excuse me?
You see, this is exactly what the other side is talking about. Try to give you advice, and you automatically on the defensive like you're being attacked. Maybe you should
listen, evaluate what people say, incorporate the ideas presented.
Quote:Who is not willing to listen here? You seem pretty sure you are 100% right in everything you are saying
Well, until you give a logical response to why I am wrong, then I am right. Everything up to this point against my truths has been supposition and petty arguing (which I've been listening to respectfully and responding to instead of ignoring, something many on
your side do to my comments, yet I don't complain, now do I?).
Find some real evidence and get back to me,
then we can discuss whether I'm right or not.
Quote:we on the other hand are asking and asking and just not receiving answers.
Please don't disrespect me like that.
I've responded to nearly
EVERY SINGLE WORD angled at me, something that I don't receive in return.
And as for others not giving you answers, maybe it's because
you don't give answers when they ask
you spiritual questions. Look at that first period debacle-- little answer-giving there on your side.
Quote:Don't bring up "we will just get defensive" because how would you know if you haven't tried?
I have, here on these forums, and I've gotten no answer.
If you think it's come to the point where I should have to take time out of my day when I'm not at school to come in and discuss it with you, then fine. How's Monday at lunch sound? Sounds good to me, see you Monday at lunch.
Quote:We are very willing to listen as long as you aren't coming at us in anger and with the wrong intentions...if you want to talk out of PURE Christian love then we will MORE then willingly listen and discuss.
Oh, I see. You're willing to be nice on
your terms.
That's real Christian-like. You think people asked Jesus questions with "PURE Christian love"? Hardly. And yet he answered them with PURE CHRISTIAN LOVE.
That's what you're supposed to do as a Christian. Thus, an example of your hypocrisy.
Quote:On the internet is not the place to be "counseling us" because we are just being told we are wrong without any reason
Wow, you made no sense there.
First of all, it's possible to post reasoning along with claims on these boards.
Second of all, I have given oodles of reason along with my statements, but obviously no one likes to look at the truth.
And third of all, I'll see you on Monday to say the same things with the same reasonable logic as I have on here.
Quote:we want to know what God wants...not you
Then read the Bible.
Quote:We want to become better people and Christians but we don't know where we are going wrong because all we have heard is the we are wrong and not WHY.
Read through this thread. Then get back to me. And if you still haven't seen the blatant reasoning I've showed you, then I'm afraid this discussion is over, because you've no ability to carry an intelligent conversation.
Quote:We have apologized and we have cried
That's nice. Now transfer your emotions into your actions. You can cry all you want and not change a thing, or you can suck it all up and move on. Your choice.
Quote:we have talked and we have listened
You sure have talked, but you only listen on your terms. And when you listen, you don't incorporate, you just start talking again.
Quote:we have asked youth pastors, elders, adults, and follow teen Christians.
And how much of what they've told you have you integrated into your lifestyle?
Quote: We have been told so many conflicting things by you and follow teen Christians
Choose, and act.
Quote:The only thing that we know right now is that you and Thunder have said we flaunt Christianity like it is a new fad and we make it too cute...but how? are we not aloud to where American Eagle clothes or something...are we not aloud to where make up...are we not aloud to laugh and have "pajama parties"?
Look at the real world. Have some compassion. You run around like the world is so happily dappily now that you're darn-diddly-arn Christians, and that everything is so perfect in your nice little circle of friends, but that isn't true.
Now, you may say "what's wrong with prancing around proclaiming I'm a Christian and hanging out with Christian friends and having parties with them and talking with them and yadda yadda", and the answer is that you push people away. You wear your perfect makeup and your nice clothes when there are those who cannot afford such luxuries. You run around spouting how great it is to have such awesome friendships-- yet there are those who are alone in this world, with no family or friends.
The list goes on and on. Basically you're alienating everyone who isn't like YOU, so they don't like YOU. And since you so loudly proclaim that you're Christians, you're making them not like CHRISTIANS, and CHRISTIANITY.
And then there are guys like me and RS, who don't proclaim we're Christians because it says in the Bible not to be like the Pharisees and the Sadducees who did such things. Guys like us who are humble before God and keep our
personal relationship with God to our
personal selves, tolerating and getting along with most everyone. In fact, the only people who have come out against us are those in the "God Squad"-- maybe that tells you something. That maybe you're wrong. That you are on the offensive contrary to the Christian belief. That you're not doing God's work.
Quote:We are being attacked for being a big group of girls who are SO close and have so much fun while being sisters in Christ
Number One-- You're NOT being attacked by me
Number Two-- You're NOT being attacked by others because you're "close sisters", you're being attacked by others for your actions and your hypocrisy.
Quote:we know each other and we all understand that we are not interested in the negative aspects in life(yes, we do know that we can't just ignore them)
Ignorance is bliss.
And you want total bliss in your life through ignorance, instead of through seeing life how it is. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that you prance around through the halls with big huge smiles on your faces while people are suffering and hurting around you. Instead, stop with the bullcrap and have some compassion. Comfort and console those in need. Focus on the negative and SOLVE IT instead of ignoring the problem!
Quote:we like our group because it is easier to deal with high school pressures and it there isn't as many of those pressures within our groups because we have a common goal and similar beliefs
Exactly-- and that's good, like Jesus and the Disciples. But read the Bible-- Jesus associated with sinners and the poor and those with leprosy, not with those in robes on the street corners praying. You're being like the Disciples in form, but not in action-- forming up in a group but being high and mighty above those who Jesus said will inherit the earth.
Quote:but no one ever tries to get to know us individually because they ASSUME everyone of us are alike
They don't assume anything-- they can see by your actions. Most people aren't going to come up to you and ask "Hey, are you all the same?" No, they're going to look at you from afar and judge for themselves. Judging may be wrong, but are you not facilitating it through your actions?
Quote:Now, I am sorry if you get offended by anything I said...we are just very hurt and very confused...we want to change if there is something we have done or are doing that is wrong but we don't know what the is. Now...this is my last post and the ball is in your court to do what you want with...you can come to me or one of us to talk about this or you can just keep posting on here getting nowhere...if you truly want to help and God's interests are at heart and not your own personal satisfaction I am sure you will choose to come talk with me or one of the others.
I am not easily offended.
See you Monday.
Wonder Squirrel out.