Quote:Life goes on with only minor glitches until now. My hobby de jure is playing poker. I would never dare to leave for an afternoon to play a live game, but I have taken to sitting on the couch next to my wife and playing online. I am quite good at it- 2 years ago I put in 50$ to my online poker account and it is now at about 6K
This problem has been going on for TWO YEARS.
Quote:At some point my wife decided that she didn't like me playing poker because it was taking time away from us. Many a night I would come home from a long days work just wanting to sit down with my wife, relax and play a game of poker only to have my wife say "no poker tonight." Again 99% of the time I would comply, and this is about the 1% that I said dammnit, I'll play if I want to.
She "decided" she didn't like him playing poker? His choice of words are curious. She felt neglected because his poker playing (going on for two years) was taking time away from them as a couple. But, according to him, his wife just decides everything . . . so I guess when she expresses her feelings . . . she's making decisions about how she feels.
Quote:In an abundance of fairness, I probably play too much poker. I play I would say, on average, two hours a night. . . .
Quote:A few nights ago, she said "no more poker." I said OK, I'll shut it down for the night. She said "no, I mean no more poker, ever. You are going to stop playing for a long time until I decide that you have shown me that you can control your playing, and then I will let you play in moderation."
For two years, he has not shown moderation. He can't control his playing. He wants to play an average of two hours every night. He works 70-80 hours a week (apparently Monday through Friday). Therefore, he works 14-16 hours a day, comes home, and then glues himself to computer poker for another two hours. That encompasses all the awake hours of the day.
Obviously, they have been having lots of discussions about how this has been bothering his wife over the course of two years. I don't think this is a case of her DECIDING things . . . I think this is a case of her expressing her feelings and a case of him ignoring her feelings for two years. If not, why is she so concerned that he can't control his playing? People with addictions simply can't manage their addictions with moderation.
Quote:She said I had chosen poker over my marriage and unless I agreed to stop completely and only play when she decided it was OK, we were getting divorced.
I don't trust his use of the words "she decided." She told him, unless he agreed to stop playing poker completely, she was getting a divorce. Good for her. She put up with this for two years. She was a heck of a lot more patience than most women.
Quote:So far I have offered to...
1) quit playing poker for 6 months and then work out a compromise as to when I can play. OR
2) Give up poker perminatly, if she agrees to go with me to marriage counseling and establish boundaries for the way we fight, and the demands we are allowed to make on one and other.
As per 1) she says its her terms or divorce, no compromise becuase "I had my chance to compromise early on and now I've lost that chance"
As per 2) she refuses- she says I am the one with the problem and am choosing poker over her, and she doesn't need couseling, I just need to do what she says.
He had TWO YEARS to work out a compromise to this problem, but he didn't do it. He didn't control his own playing. He didn't use moderation. The only time he pulled himself away from online poker was when she put her foot down.
His wife is right. He's the one with the problem. He's the one who continually chose to play poker instead of spending time with his wife. Why should she have to go to counseling in order to learn her boundaries and what demands she is allowed to make? Her request, or demand, or "decision" that he should play in moderation was a reasonable one, but he wouldn't control himself.
If he was beating her for two years, she should be able to tell him, "if you don't stop beating me, I will get a divorce." Why does he get any say in the matter? Would it be reasonable for him to say: "Okay . . . I'll stop beating you IF you go to counseling so you can learn not to tell me to stop beating you in the future."
His offer to quit gambling IF she went to counseling with him to "establish boundaries for the way we fight, and the demands we are allowed to make on one and other" is ridiculous. After two years of fighting over it, he now knows that he is going to lose his wife if he doesn't stop gambling every night after work.
Quote:I realize that playing too much may be neglectfull given I work a 70-80 hour/week job, but we go to the theater and the ballet and movies and rockets games, out with our friends and all that stuff at least two nights a week.
Quote:1) I mentioned "let" my wife do anything she wants- for the record- I have never told my wife she can't do something, she has never asked permission, and she does what she wants when she wants to. Thats fine by me, I would like the same courtesy. Am I a "dominant personality" I don't know, maybe, but only in the sense that I can't stand my wife trying to control my every move.
2) 70 work, about two hours a day on weekdays. That leaves WEEKENDS for all the other things we do together, which are typically poker free. I do everything I can to try not to work on days that start with S.
3) Again, why shouldn't we be able to compromise? Why do I just have to let her, once again, DICTATE to me how I'm going spend every moment of my time? I'm willing to give up poker all together if we can work on the underlting issues.
She does not control his every move nor dictate every moment of his time. Monday through Friday, he has his time tied up with 14-16 hours of work and 2 hours of poker. That's every awake moment of the work week. Obviously she has had NO control over hardly ANY of his time or his poker playing wouldn't be an issue. And, this has gone on for two years. Again, he's being overly dramatic.
Oh well, he gives her some time on weekends. Why should she complain? Well . . . perhaps she got married so she could have daily interaction with the man she loves. Maybe she didn't bargain on being ignored five days out of every week.
From the marriage builder's website:
Dr. Harley wrote:The number of hours you schedule to be together each week for undivided attention should reflect the quality of your marriage. If your marriage is satisfying to you and your spouse, schedule fifteen hours each week to be together. But if you suffer marital dissatisfaction, plan more time until marital satisfaction is achieved.
How much time do you need to sustain the feeling of love for each other? Believe it or not, there really is an answer to this question, and it depends on the health of a marriage. If a couple is deeply in love with each other and find that their marital needs are being met, I have found that about fifteen hours each week of undivided attention is usually enough to sustain their love. When a marriage is this healthy, either it's a new marriage or the couple has already been spending that amount of time with each other throughout their marriage. Without fifteen hours of undivided attention each week, a couple simply can't do what it takes to sustain their feeling of love for each other.
When I apply the fifteen-hour principle to marriages, I usually recommend that the time be evenly distributed throughout the week, two to three hours each day. When time must be bunched up -- all hours only on the weekend -- good results are not as predictable. Spouses need to be emotionally reconnected almost on a daily basis to meet each other's most important emotional needs. . . .
Your time together is too important to the security of your marriage to neglect. It's more important than time spent doing anything else during the week, including time with your children and your job. Remember that the time you should set aside is only equivalent to a part-time job. It isn't time you don't have; it's time you will use for something less important, if you don't use it for each other.
For two years, the wife struggled with neglect and loneliness every evening after work while her husband chose to ignore her in favor of spending two hours playing online poker. He sacrificed his marriage in favor of his poker addiction.
I understand that others will take HIS side . . . but I'm going to take HER side on this. I just wonder what took her so long. . . .