oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 03:22 pm
@layman,
I remember when Snopes tried to cover up the fact that the UN was trying to push a global gun ban treaty.

They are clearly more interested in spreading leftist propaganda than they are in spreading the truth.
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Setanta
 
  3  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 03:25 pm
In his corona virus thread, Engineer provided an interesting take on the effectiveness of distancing, and the consequences of ending it too soon.
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Setanta
 
  3  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 03:26 pm
The response to my recent post is hilarious in light of Coldjoint whining about my criticism of his source. Sauce for the goose . . .
layman
 
  0  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 04:38 pm
Quote:
AOC blasts coronavirus stimulus, blames GOP for not granting checks to all immigrants

"To clarify, $1200 checks are ONLY going to some w/social sec numbers, NOT immigrants w/ tax IDs (ITINs)," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "Thanks to GOP, these checks will be cut off the backs of *taxpaying immigrants,* who get nothing."

An Individual Tax Identification Number (ITINs) is, as the IRS describes, "a tax processing number only available for certain nonresident and resident aliens, their spouses, and dependents who cannot get a Social Security Number." This includes illegal immigrants.


Cash to illegal immigrants? Ridiculous. Cry on, AOC, ya skank, ya.

Anerica First, Baby!!
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 04:43 pm
Quote:
Trump can't print money either.

Of course not. I never said he could. But if the Federal Reserve decides to increase the money supply the Treasury can.
Leadfoot
 
  0  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 04:44 pm
@layman,
Quote:
On his website Sanders said: "See!? I told y'all I could get ya some free ****. Want more free ****? Then vote for me..."

Can life get any better? Bernie gonna pay for it and the dispensary in the big city gonna give me free delivery since us elderly is at such high risk.

What a country!

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Brand X
 
  3  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 04:45 pm
Michael Tracey
@mtracey
·
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I hope the Biden and Bernie campaigns (in addition to Tom Perez, and the states' respective governors) are pleased with themselves for encouraging voting last week, as though this was a remotely unforeseeable outcome
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Caitie Switalski
@caitielee0917
· 1h
Two poll workers in Broward County from this month's election have tested positive for COVID-19. @WLRN One worked at the MLK Community Center in Hollywood, (Precinct V011) only on election day, according to a statement from the Sup. Of Elections Office spokesperson.
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snood
 
  3  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 04:52 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Trump can't print money either.

Of course not. I never said he could. But if the Federal Reserve decides to increase the money supply the Treasury can.


Once upon a time, wasn’t the cash backed up by gold? What is the value of the money when the Treasury can just crank up the printing presses and spit out endless amounts of it?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 06:14 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
The response to my recent post is hilarious in light of Coldjoint whining about my criticism of his source.

You said this to me.
Quote:
Pathetic, and not worth my time. If you ever join us here in reality, drop us a line.

Why use my name at all? A lot of people here do not mean what they say. I guess you are one of them.
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-4133#post-6972910
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 06:37 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Once upon a time, wasn’t the cash backed up by gold? What is the value of the money when the Treasury can just crank up the printing presses and spit out endless amounts of it?

Obviously if too much money is printed, that will cause inflation. But the Federal Reserve would counter a big increase in inflation by raising interest rates and bringing borrowing to a screeching halt.

There are a number of leftists out there who believe that the economy is actually deflationary and we don't realize it. They think that the US government can afford to print a lot of new money without causing inflation. They also think that this hidden deflation is dragging down the economy and that printing a ton of new money would provide needed stimulus to fix this. Bernie Sanders would try to pay for much if not all of his big-spending programs this way if he is elected.

I have no idea if Magic Money Tree leftists are correct in their thinking, but it's an interesting concept.
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Setanta
 
  5  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 08:35 pm
@snood,
When Lloyd George took a delegation to Paris for the 1919 Peace Conference, one of the junior members was John Maynard Keynes. Keynes was very ,uch impressed with his own excellence, and came to resent Lloyd George for not giving him a bigger role. Keynes eventually channeled that into one of the most important works on economics, and the most important work on government finance. In 1936, he published The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, One result of that was that governments (conveniently for them) took Keynes to say that when necessary, you can just print more money. Keynes' argument and advice was, of course, more complex and nuanced than that, and he certainly pointed out that it was necessary to put controls in place to "repay" the debt incurred by just printing money in time of economic slump. People in government ignored that part, they didn't like it. It did not work for Franklin Roosevelt, but he was bailed out by Second World War, which greatly expanded employment, quite apart from the more than 9,000,000 Americans in uniform.

Since that time, there has been a delicate balanced maintained between just printing more money, and acting responsibly to reduce government debt. But there is a powerful exception in this case which ought not to be ignored. The American dollar is the currency of refuge in times of economic doubt or slump. This is already in process with currency traders buying U.S. dollars as a hedge against unstable inflationary pressures and the weakness of other currencies. This administration (or whatever administration replaces it after the next general election) can get away with just printing money for quite some time, while the American dollar remains the refuge, or safe haven currency.
McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2020 11:10 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Unfilled jobs and high turnover mean the government is ill equipped for a public health crisis, said many former and current federal officials and disaster experts.


Which government was prepared? Can you point them out for us?
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 12:05 am
@Lash,
We fortunately only got a relatively low number of deaths. And that confirmed number is reported.

The reason is still somewhat in the dark - most probably it's because we started a) testing early and b) tested more than others.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 12:09 am
@georgeob1,
My response was more related to the health system in general, sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

But both countries are doing fairly good: hospitals in Germany and Switzerland have treat some dozens of critically ill coronavirus patients from their neighbouring countries.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 01:38 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Why does it bother anyone here that Lash supports him?

Because they hate Sanders with a passion, just like Lash hates Clinton... They can't help themselves, it's irrational.
hightor
 
  4  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 02:43 am
@McGentrix,
South Korea has done a pretty good job — they were prepared. Germany. And for that matter, once China admitted to itself and the world that it really had a problem, it showed that it was obviously prepared, having learned some things during the SARS outbreak. In the case of the US, we had plans, we had experts, we had agencies. The administration neglected them, it signaled disrespect for science, it cut funding, and it didn't fill positions which were empty. And, irrespective of all this, when the virus finally began to be seen as a possible pandemic, the administration did nothing for a month, just denying the problem, instead of seriously looking at it and beginning to mobilize the country. As Max Brooks said, by the time we first started seeing cases spreading here the president should have been able to make a speech reassuring the country that "Your government has been working behind the scenes to make sure all the manufacturers of medical equipment are geared up, production of PPE is in full swing, and supply chains have been established." Instead we got denial. "One day it will miraculously disappear."
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hightor
 
  4  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 02:54 am
@Olivier5,
I don't see any sign that people "hate" Sanders. They just feel that his continuing to campaign as a Democrat after he's shown weakness at the polls jeopardizes our chance to defeat Trump in November. It also encourages his most primal supporters to continue their personal criticism of Biden, their institutional criticism of the Democratic Party, and their fractious rhetoric. You need to separate the site's political opinions of Sanders from its personal opinion of Lash.
layman
 
  2  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 03:08 am
Quote:
The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

So, this year, the common flu has caused more deaths in the US alone than the Kung Flu has worldwide.

38 million illnesses (US alone) compared to half a million Kung Flu illnesses worldwide.

21,000 US deaths from the flu, about 1000 from the Kung flu.


Why don't we shut down the whole country every year, because of the killer flu that comes around every year, I wonder?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 03:22 am
@layman,
hightor wrote:
...just denying the problem, instead of seriously looking at it and beginning to mobilize the country ... "One day it will miraculously disappear."
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snood
 
  5  
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2020 03:23 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I don't see any sign that people "hate" Sanders. They just feel that his continuing to campaign as a Democrat after he's shown weakness at the polls jeopardizes our chance to defeat Trump in November. It also encourages his most primal supporters to continue their personal criticism of Biden, their institutional criticism of the Democratic Party, and their fractious rhetoric. You need to separate the site's political opinions of Sanders from its personal opinion of Lash.


Precisely. Well put.
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