snood
 
  5  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 04:42 pm
@layman,
If he’s responsible for the market rise, was he responsible for the market drop?
layman
 
  -4  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 04:43 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

If he’s responsible for the market rise, was he responsible for the market drop?


Naw, the damn chinese were responsible for that. Trump kicked their ass too.
snood
 
  7  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 04:47 pm
@layman,
You are one lost mofo.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:19 pm
@Brand X,
@mtracey wrote:
We have presidential primaries in several large states on Tuesday -- Florida, Illinois, Arizona, Ohio
What's the plan???

Vote absentee.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:20 pm
@hightor,
nyt/wegman wrote:
(...)

It's not the Electoral College by itself, but the state winner-take-all rule. In each of the 48 states that use this rule (Maine and Nebraska are the exceptions), the candidate who wins the most votes gets all of that state's electors, whether the margin is one hundred votes or one hundred thousand.

The winner-take-all rule means that the states that matter to the campaigns are the handful of so-called battleground states -- this year, they include Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida -- where the electorate is evenly divided, and the result is too close to predict. Both major parties spend virtually all of their resources trying to win over the voters in these states and for good reason. Why waste time and money stumping for support that won't translate into any extra electoral votes?

The problem is that only about 20 percent of Americans live in a battleground state. The other 80 percent might as well be invisible when it comes to choosing their leader. These hundred million or more voters live in "the land of the ignored," a term I heard from Reed Hundt, who served as F.C.C. chairman under President Bill Clinton and now runs an organization that argues for the popular vote.

(...)

If candidates knew that they needed the most votes in the country, rather than the most votes in a few key districts in a few battleground states, they would base their appeals on what voters wanted rather than on where they happened to live. This could lead to a less polarized electorate, as candidates press for policies with broad national support, from immigration and health-care reform to background gun checks and protecting the environment.

Ignoring voters is the opposite of what the president is supposed to do, as the only elected official in America whose job it is to represent everyone equally, wherever they live. This is why the winner-take-all rule is so destructive to our nation's politics and culture. It deforms our political relationship to one another, creating a false picture of a country carved up into bright red and blue blocs, when in fact we are purple from coast to coast. It undermines policies with broad public support. It increases mistrust of government and decreases voter turnout. And it warps how presidential candidates campaign and how presidents govern.

(...)

Interesting. That is the first time I've seen the left present a coherent argument against winner-take-all.

I'm unconvinced. But I can see that at least they have some basis for their position.

If their objection is winner-take-all though, that's no reason for attacking the electoral college.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:24 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control

Moments after former Democratic presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke -- who promised in a September debate to take away legally purchased assault rifles if elected -- endorsed Joe Biden's White House run, the former vice president promised to name the Texan as his point man on gun control.

"I want to make something clear, I'm going to guarantee you this is not the last you've seen of him," Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. "You're going to take care of the gun problem with me. You're going to be the one who leads this effort."

Progressives hate America's freedom, and they derive sadistic pleasure from violating people's civil liberties.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

That's still better than the alternative.

No. It is better to have a constitutional democracy where the minority's rights are protected from the majority.
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blatham
 
  3  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:28 pm
@blatham,
Re my earlier point on Fox and whether it will change behavior as things get worse, there's this TPM report today
Fox Producer Admits Networks’ Pro-Trump Coronavirus Coverage Is ‘Really Irresponsible’

Now this is very unusual. But at the same time, it ain't much.
Quote:
On Friday, CNN anchor Brian Stelter reported that an unnamed Fox producer had privately acknowledged to him earlier this week how damaging the two networks’ excessively-pro Trump coverage of the outbreak is.

“The attempt to deflect and blame the media and Democrats from Trish Regan, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Lou Dobbs, Jesse Watters, and Greg Gutfeld instead of addressing the coronavirus is really irresponsible and hazardous to our viewers,” the producer said, according to Stelter.

...“It’s also ironic they’re accusing the media of fear-mongering given our infamous coverage of the migrant caravan back in 2018,” the unnamed Fox producer also told Stelter.

oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:30 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Of course. But another target of GOP voter suppression is young people. Thus all the legislation to make NRA membership cards valid for voting but not school/university ID cards. Thus the scarcity of voting stations near universities. Two common tricks used in GOP led states. There's been tons of reporting on this.

Don't be silly. I remember being a college student. I had a drivers license and would not have not needed my university ID to prove my identity had such been required at the polls.

The only party with an actual history of voter disenfranchisement is the Democratic Party. Look at the way Barack Obama disenfranchised people to cheat his way to victory in 2008.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:30 pm
And for the sake of information rather than further discussion...
Quote:
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) turned down repeated requests from Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign to appear at events promoting the Vermont senator’s candidacy in recent weeks, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

After the Iowa caucuses, Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir asked Ocasio-Cortez to stump for Sanders in New Hampshire, according to the sources. The campaign prepared a model schedule to highlight the kind of popular support she would expect if she attended, one of the people familiar with the talks said.

Ocasio-Cortez resisted the entreaties until a few days before the primary on Feb. 12. She ultimately spoke the day before the election at a Sanders rally in Durham, New Hampshire, where the rock band The Strokes performed.

“It was like pulling teeth to get her to New Hampshire,” said a second person who knew about the discussions.
HP
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:33 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
as conditions worsen along with Trump's electoral hopes,

Progressives like it when Americans die. They always hope that deaths can be manipulated into an attack against people who disagree with them.
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:38 pm
@oralloy,
bushwah. conservatives love death.. that's why they work so hard to get guns into the hands of people who will use them to kill other peo[ple, and the conservatives take sadistic glee in all the deaths they've enabled.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
Progressive efforts to outlaw pistol grips on semi-auto rifles have nothing to do with trying to save lives.

Preventing progressives from outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles does not cost any lives.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:44 pm
@oralloy,
Every state is different. There have been a whole lot of attempts to disenfranchise students and people of color with arbitrary ID rules that favor one group and disfavor others. If you didn't have a driver's liicense, but only a student ID some GOP efforts would have disenfranchised you. Your experience is not generalizable.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
There have been a whole lot of attempts to disenfranchise students and people of color with arbitrary ID rules

One example please.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:49 pm
@oralloy,
No matter how many times you repost your nutball opinion that it's all about ;pistol grips, it remains only nutball opinon and nonfactual.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:55 pm
@coldjoint,
https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-2020/ct-nw-college-student-voting-problems-20200301-n4zclaoj35drji46bxh6fqdk6m-story.html

Doofus.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:55 pm
@MontereyJack,
Here are two posts where you have called for and praised efforts to ban pistol grips on long guns:

https://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2108#post-6598060
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 05:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
If you didn't have a driver's liicense, but only a student ID some GOP efforts would have disenfranchised you. Your experience is not generalizable.

Don't be silly. College students have drivers licenses.
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2020 06:12 pm

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