snood
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 12:31 pm
@Real Music,
Yup, I thought so, as well.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 01:58 pm
Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
·
19h
Joe Biden may not want the votes of those concerned about immigrant rights, but I do. Join our movement for justice.

Eric Bradner
@ericbradner
· Nov 21
“You should vote for Trump,” Joe Biden tells @CosechaMovement protester Carlos Rojas at tonight’s town hall in Greenwood, S.C.
_______________
Instead of standing behind Obama’s deportation festival, Biden tells a Hispanic American he should vote for Trump.

Elitist ass.
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 02:48 pm
OK Obama, It’s Time to Cancel Centrism

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ok-obama-its-time-to-cancel-centrism/

Excerpt:

Centrists are terrified that if the Democratic nominee is far to the left of Biden and Obama, they will be forced to coalesce around a candidate who represents a threat to the establishment of which they are a part. The unflappable Sanders brushed aside Obama’s criticism in an interview with The New York Times, saying, “When I talk about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, I’m not tearing down the system. We’re fighting for justice.” On the health care front, he added, “When I talk about … ending the embarrassment of America being the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care for every man, woman and child, that’s not tearing down the system. That’s doing what we should have done 30 years ago.” His words resonate with the millions of Americans who are struggling every day, but they grate on the nerves of those who have thrived in our unequal society.

In a nutshell, American politics have tilted our economic system so far in favor of wealthy elites—and this has been by and large a bipartisan project—that establishment lawmakers are really the ones guilty of “tearing down” a modest (if flawed) system that once upon a time distributed riches more fairly. When Americans—the vast majority of whom are not millionaires—read reports like this one showing that “[f]or the first time in history, U.S. billionaires paid a lower tax rate than the working class last year,” for Obama to ask us to not tear down the system is deeply insulting. The system has already been destroyed—by billionaires and their backers in Congress and the White House, including Obama.

In realizing that Sanders’ and Warren’s popularity is indicative of a widespread anger at the status quo, wealthy elites are understandably worried. In their clumsy attempts to defend their unimaginable riches (what actual difference does it make to someone’s lifestyle if he or she has $100 million versus $1 billion?), some are attempting to equate their plight with ours. The billionaire Wall Street executive Leon Cooperman has complained bitterly about his pariah status, saying, “What is wrong with billionaires? You can become a billionaire by developing products and services that people will pay for,” as if that’s all it took for him to gather his disgustingly large fortune. Cooperman conveniently left out the unfair tax rates, offshore tax havens, taxpayer subsidies and all the other ways in which the government rigs the system to favor people like him at our expense. He denounced Warren’s wealth tax, saying, “I believe in a progressive income tax and the rich paying more. But this is the ******* American dream she is shitting on.”

Others have gone as far as to label candidates like Warren and Sanders the left-wing equivalents of Donald Trump. One person, identified as a “prominent Wall Street hedge fund manager and Democratic bundler who is raising money for a Warren rival,” said about the Massachusetts senator: “It’s the same thing Republicans went through with Trump. You look at her and think what she is going to do is going to be horrible for the country. But if you say anything about it, you just make her stronger.”

So flustered are the superrich that they have taken to running their own candidates at a relatively late stage in the game. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who recently joined the race, has so much personal wealth at his command that he doesn’t even need to raise campaign funds and plans to spend $100 million on anti-Trump ads. Thrilled Wall Street executives are lining up to back him.

Meanwhile, former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick—another newcomer to a hugely crowded field—has said he will not turn down donations made through super PACs, at a time when other candidates are eschewing what they see as tainted money. Patrick also has centered his candidacy around defending corporations and capitalism, saying, in an interview with The Associated Press, “There’s a lot of good that gets done by private interests investing in the country.” The AP story reminded us that Patrick “served as counsel to an oil and gas company, on the board of a subprime lending company and most recently worked for Bain Capital, the private equity company that became an albatross around Republican Mitt Romney’s neck during his presidential campaign in 2012 after President Barack Obama painted the company as ruthless toward middle-class workers.”

The top two centrists among Democratic candidates—Biden and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg—have been working vainly to rise to the top of the crowded field of candidates. Biden’s star may be fading as the unethical (if not illegal) position that his son Hunter assumed on the board of a Ukrainian oil and gas company continues to make headlines. The former vice president also just can’t help putting his foot in his mouth, as his most recent out-of-touch comments about marijuana being a “gateway drug” illustrated.

While Buttigieg’s star may be rising, he is facing a struggle with black voters, whose support is critical to the Democratic Party. Beyond the simplistic and racist claim that black voters are uncomfortable with an openly gay candidate, he has had trouble with criminal justice issues in South Bend and now faces scrutiny over falsifying support from black voters in South Carolina.

In the coming months, we will hear a lot from centrist forces in the Democratic Party about unifying behind a single candidate in order to beat Trump. But we will be told that such a candidate can only be a moderate centrist who will compromise with Republicans and essentially maintain a less racist status quo, or a pre-Trump status quo. Centrists will blame voters for being reckless and will themselves refuse to unify around a Sanders or Warren candidacy.

At the event where Obama chastised the left, he also claimed, “It turns out people are cautious, because they don’t have a margin for error.” It is as if Obama entirely missed the 2016 election triumph of the least cautious presidential candidate in recent memory. “People” are not cautious; those who want to preserve inequality are the cautious ones, and no amount of wishful thinking on their part will change the reality that their time is over.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 01:08 am
@Lash,
Your and Bernie's forward thinking got Trump elected. Trying to do so again?
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 01:36 am
@RABEL222,
Hillary and idiot democrats who refuse to serve the working classes in this country hand-delivered Trump.

You’re trying to do it again, but I think we’ll beat your stupid asses this time.
revelette3
 
  2  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 12:04 pm
@Lash,
If he does beat our stupid's butts this time, all well and good (hopefully), I will vote for him, bound to be an improvement on Trump. I only hope ya'll do the same, but I doubt it as the extremist on the left progressive side show no sign of being interested in anything except having it all their way or the highway to Trump. Luckily, Bernie is not an extremist.
Real Music
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 12:10 pm
@revelette3,
AGREED
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 12:28 pm
Saku “it’s a coup” Zuckerberg Retweeted

The Bern Identity
@bern_identity
·
19h
A powerful quality that differentiates @BernieSanders
from most politicians is how direct + straight to the point he is.

Q: Do you support fracking?
B: No I do not.

Q: Was Bolivia a coup?
B: It was a coup.

Q: Was Obama wrong for deporting 3M people?
B: Yes he was

#Bernie2020
Quote Tweet

Cara Korte
@CaraKorte
· Nov 23
"Of course, I would." -Sen. @berniesanders is asked by a voter in Franklin, NH if he would support abolishing nuclear weapons.
livinglava
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 12:44 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
Luckily, Bernie is not an extremist.

No, he's just another fake who pretends to be for social causes in order to use them as an excuse to grow the economy for the benefit of Wall Street and all the global investors who use the US economy as a tool to fund the socialist money pits of the world.
revelette3
 
  2  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 01:48 pm
@livinglava,
Bernie might be a lot of things but the last thing he is someone for Wall Street, not sure what you mean by the last.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:00 pm
Quote:
CONCORD, N.H. — One after another, voters at a recent campaign event here for former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. expressed utter comfort with the centerpiece of his health care platform: an idea once so controversial that Democrats had to drop it from the Affordable Care Act to get the landmark law passed.

The proposal would allow people of all incomes who aren’t old enough for Medicare to choose health coverage through a new government-run plan that would compete with private insurance, known by the less-than-catchy shorthand “public option.”

A decade ago, the issue created such deep internal divisions among Senate Democrats that they ultimately dropped the idea from their bill, even though the public option was strongly favored by many liberals and a majority of House Democrats, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

But now, with two of the leading Democratic presidential candidates, Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, calling for a government-controlled single-payer “Medicare for all” system as they compete for support of the party’s liberal wing, a public option is looking like a safe moderate position and even a realistic policy goal.

Not only are most of the other Democratic presidential candidates proposing some version of it, but Ms. Warren, facing trepidation over her $20 trillion single-payer plan, now says she would start her presidency by pushing for a public option and would wait until her third year in office to seek “Medicare for all.”

During the Democratic candidates’ debate on Wednesday, as Mr. Biden and Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., warned again that “Medicare for all” would mean taking away the choice of private insurance, Ms. Warren said her intent was to create a public option first to “get as much help to the American people as we can as fast as we can.”

About two-thirds of voters like the idea of a public option or Medicare buy-in, according to several recent national polls. This month, the Kaiser Family Foundation tracking poll, which has asked voters about the plan four times since July, found that 65 percent of the public favors the idea, compared with 53 percent who support “Medicare for all.” Large majorities of Democrats and independents favored a public option in Kaiser’s November poll, as did 41 percent of Republicans — roughly the same level as earlier Kaiser polls found but down from an unusual spike of 58 percent in October.

“I think our goal should be to try to get everybody in America to have health insurance, and I think the easiest and fastest way is what Vice President Biden is proposing — to have the public option.” said Dr. Alexandra Argasinski, 56, an internist who buttonholed Mr. Biden about his plan here in Concord after he served chili with firefighters.

Polls suggest that some voters have become unnerved by the price tags of the Warren and Sanders’ “Medicare for all” plans and the fact that they would abolish private health insurance. Support for such an approach has narrowed in recent months, as people have begun to understand what it would involve. A new Kaiser Family Foundation poll of voters in four battleground states — Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — found that 62 percent of those who are undecided or are still persuadable believe that “a national Medicare-for-all plan that would eliminate private health insurance” is a bad idea.

Nancy Downing, 42, a receptionist from Concord, said she admired Ms. Warren and Mr. Sanders for wanting to achieve free government health care for all. But she said Mr. Biden and Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, who has also proposed a public option, are more appealing to her because they are more realistic about long-term spending.

“They’re great ideals,” Ms. Downing said of the Warren and Sanders’
“Medicare for all” plans, “but I’m just not sure we can pay for it.”

The public option plans offered by Mr. Biden and Mr. Buttigieg would require much less federal spending than Ms. Warren’s $20.5 trillion proposal to provide generous health benefits, at no cost, to all Americans.

Mr. Biden has estimated his plan would cost $750 billion over 10 years; Mr. Buttigieg has said his version, which he likes to call “Medicare for all who want it,” would cost $1.5 trillion.

Mr. Biden and Mr. Buttigieg’s plans would automatically enroll uninsured Americans in the new government health plan and allow anyone else to opt in if they wished. Both candidates would offer more generous premium subsidies than the Affordable Care Act provides and cap people’s premium costs at 8.5 percent of their income. People with premium subsidies would have deductibles of roughly $1,000 or less. Mr. Buttigieg’s plan would go a step further, retroactively enrolling anyone who had remained uninsured but ended up sick.

Although most of the other Democrats who qualified for Wednesday’s debate support the idea of a public option, few have released detailed proposals. Some candidates, like Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey and Andrew Yang, an entrepreneur, say they hope a public option would lead to “Medicare for all;” others, like Ms. Klobuchar and Tom Steyer, a former hedge fund investor and a billionaire, consider it an end in itself.

The public option that Ms. Warren has proposed as a bridge to her “Medicare for all” plan would go further. It would be free for all children and for households with incomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level, which is currently about $51,000 for a family of four. For people who earn more, premiums would be capped at 5 percent of income; there would be no deductibles and “modest” out-of-pocket costs. Ms. Warren has not said how much this public option plan would cost the government, but it would be considerably less than “Medicare for all;” during Wednesday’s debate she said it would cover 135 million people — about 40 percent of the population — for free.

If Ms. Warren was hoping for a second look from Democrats alarmed by her single-payer plan, she found one in Betsy Loughran, 79, of Tamworth, N.H. Ms. Loughran, who used to run a nonprofit social services agency, said she found Ms. Warren’s proposal for an interim public option “much more palatable, frankly” — so much so that she would now consider donating to her campaign.

“It would be no slam dunk even to get a public option through Congress,” said Ms. Loughran, adding that Ms. Warren’s full-throated support of “Medicare for all” had made her more interested in centrist candidates like Mr. Buttigieg and Ms. Klobuchar. “But if Elizabeth backs off and has a transition plan that would allow people to keep their private health insurance, that makes much more sense.”

The difference between Mr. Biden and Mr. Buttigieg on health care is largely one of tone: Mr. Biden focuses on preserving and improving the Affordable Care Act; Mr. Buttigieg emphasizes that a public option would provide “a glide path” to single-payer by gradually siphoning — though never forcing — customers away from private insurance companies through lower costs.
“I fundamentally believe there’s no going back,” Mr. Buttigieg said on his campaign bus last week.

Mr. Biden, during a town hall in New London, did look back. He reminisced about the birth of the Affordable Care Act, saying, “I was there when we passed that, broke my neck getting it passed.”

Now, he added, it was time to “make it Bidencare by passing a public option.”

Beyond the questions about how the public option would work are bigger political questions about getting such a measure through Congress, even if it does have broad bipartisan support from voters.

As voter support for a public option has strengthened, industry opposition remains fierce. A group of doctors, nurses, community hospitals and insurers called the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future warns that a public option could bankrupt rural hospitals, whose financial health is already poor, and could raise premiums for some.

Recent state-level efforts to adopt a public option also suggest the industry resistance could be formidable. In Washington State, where Gov. Jay Inslee signed into law the nation’s first public option in May, he and other supporters had to make big compromises to get it passed, abandoning the idea of the plan paying Medicare rates — considerably less than what private insurance pays — and letting private insurers run the new plan instead of the government.

Similarly, an ambitious public option bill in Connecticut died in June after the state’s insurance industry revolted. The state official leading the charge for the public option told The Hartford Courant that the chief executive of Cigna had warned that the company would leave the state if it was enacted.
On his campaign bus in Concord, N.H., the other day, Mr. Buttigieg said he believed public pressure would force such a measure through Congress.
He added, “I think it’s going to be really hard for members of Congress to stare down their constituents and say no.”

Nicholas Dadekian, a 19-year-old college student who had come to hear Mr. Biden speak, said private insurance “should remain an option.”

“I would like for everybody to be able to make that choice,” Mr. Dadekian said. “The union workers have worked really hard to get something better than the federal government is realistically able to offer; they should be able to keep the insurance they have.”

t a barn party for Mr. Buttigieg, Dave and Mary Ingalls, a retired couple from Methuen, Mass., said they wanted more people to have access to health care, but not at the expense of the type of private insurance they enjoyed over the span of their careers.

“That’s one of the reasons I’m standing in this barn seeing my breath,” said Mr. Ingalls, 71. “I think that’s un-American. America is about choice — not, oh, suddenly we have a gigantic new bureaucracy that may or may not work.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/health/public-option-medicare-for-all.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I don't think Biden did himself any favors by saying he wants to change it to Bidencare because of the addition of the public option. It is not as though Obamacare was/is an official name. He may have issues with Obama which he may be hiding. Regardless, he is a centrist option for those who want a centrist. I wish Warren would be willing to compromise, to shows she is willing to work with what people want.
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hightor
 
  2  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:10 pm
Quote:
Q: Was Obama wrong for deporting 3M people?
B: Yes he was


Sanders is for "open borders"? I realize there's some sentiment on the left for allowing illegal immigrants into the country and providing them with health care services but that doesn't mean that the previous administration was wrong for following the law and deporting those who entered the country unlawfully. According to our immigration statutes it was the right thing to do.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:15 pm
I guess if caging and deporting wide swaths of people was ok for Obama, it’s ok for Trump.
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BillW
 
  4  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:16 pm
@hightor,
The key is following the law as the law is written. Don't like the law, change the law. Obama was trying to change the law to be more just. Of course, we know there weren't people on the other side of the aisle with the moral fiber to get this done. He did do things where he could; such as, the Dreamers act.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:18 pm
@BillW,
This country will be a better place when we stop making excuses for those we like who do the same things we attack in those we don’t like.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:39 pm
Pat the Berner 🌹


@PatTheBerner
22h22 hours ago
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#BoycottMSNBC
If you work at @MSNBC, journalism is grounds for termination. Ed Shultz, Phil Donohue, and Melissa Harris Perry are just a few notable people they let go.

On the other hand, proven liars like @JoyAnnReid @ZerlinaMaxwell & @Maddow and @BWilliams get promotions.
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:48 pm
Andrew Yang 🧢

Verified account

@AndrewYang
Nov 23
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The whole time we have gotten stronger. This is actually bad for MSNBC. It will only get worse after I make the next debates and keep rising in the polls. The people are smarter than MSNBC would like to think.

Andrew Yang 🧢

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@AndrewYang
Nov 23
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They’ve omitted me from their graphics 12+ times, called me John Yang on air, and given me a fraction of the speaking time over 2 debates despite my polling higher than other candidates on stage. At some point you have to call it.

Andrew Yang 🧢

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@AndrewYang
Nov 23
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Was asked to appear on @msnbc this weekend - and told them that I’d be happy to after they apologize on-air, discuss and include our campaign consistent with our polling, and allow surrogates from our campaign as they do other candidates’. They think we need them. We don’t.
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 02:59 pm
The problem with deportation isn't the number of people caught for illegally entering the country. Nor is it focusing on the people who have committed crimes while in the country. Legal and human deportation can be done without appealing to nativism, making racially-charged accusations, separating families, or forcing applicants to wait in dangerous conditions on the other side of the border. There are reasons to control the number of people entering the country and there are legal processes for those seeking asylum or legal status. We expect immigrants to follow the legal procedures.

The truth is, we'll be seeing lot more people trying to enter the country as climate conditions further deteriorate in Central America (and the global south) and local economies are ruined. More pressure is already being placed on the northern border as well. It's likely that at some point we're going to have to face up to this fact and commit a lot more money to expanding holding centers and making provisions for assimilating much greater numbers of people. I don't particularly like it but realistically we should start planning for it — instead of criticizing the previous administration I'd like to hear what Sanders and the others plan to do in preparation for the climate refugees who'll be heading our way.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 03:06 pm
A visual history of Yang media blackout.

https://vocal.media/theSwamp/a-visual-history-of-the-yang-media-blackout
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 03:09 pm
@Brand X,
It is AMAZING that MSNBC kept Joy Reid after that psychotic string of schizophrenic gaslighting she’s guilty of.🤪
 

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