edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 10:31 pm
‎Eric Jackson‎ to Expats for Sanders
September 1 at 5:04 AM ·

Eric Jackson
September 1 at 3:14 AM ·
EN-MSN-US-News
A fine example of the simplistic corporate thinking that Democrats need to understand for its errors and move way, way past.

Where to start? SURELY this tiny little map, a four-state strategy, based on winning back the White House. It essentially concedes the senate, and the state legislatures in a reapportionment year, to the Republicans. Befitting and emblematic of the world's richest man's newspaper. For that alone, serious Democrats should not just ignore, but denounce, this purportedly strategic thinking. It's Hillary's 14-state strategy, several strokes farther out off of the deep end.

Gonna talk about "Hispanics" and not separate out the particular travails of the Puerto Ricans and the influx of these to the States after Hurricane Maria? Gonna talk about "Hispanics" and not get into age issues, which seem to be particularly acute among America's oldest non-indigenous ethnic group, the Cuban-Americans? Gonna deal with Mexican-Americans and not address the degrees of assimilation among them? Going to write off the votes of the various Hispanic communities in states where they add up to low single-digit percentages of the electorate?

(And, quite frankly, are you going to listen to the operatives and boosters of Ricky Rosselló as your "responsible latino spokesmen" as they try to play Hillary-style identity politics again? This is a real and specific concern.)

2020 strategy is a turnout issue for Democrats. It's doing the work in ways and places to which we are not all that accustomed. Often it should mean old buzzards under the leadership of younger people who have things to teach us.

It means looking at situations with much less respect for old dibs on those turfs, whether they are insurance and pharma dibs on health care policy, Ivy League dibs on intellectual discourse, the compulsion to support whatever messed up thing that a messed up government of Israel might do, clinging to the notion that the richest and most autocratic Gulf oil sheikhs and Egyptian generals speak for the whole Muslim world, or the presumption that only the votes of Americans living in Europe and Canada matter among the millions of US citizens who can vote from abroad. There are more pressing issues than defending the turf set out in old deals -- which is not to say that everything and everyone Americans have defended should be abandoned as the alt-right urges. We need a new deal -- a Green New Deal, but way beyond that in a new set of arrangements suitable for what's good about Americans and the needs, values and interests of Americans in our times.

OH -- you'll get some safe young guy with a good resume who floated to the top by praising his elders and not questioning any conventional wisdoms? You'll bash those who are generating some enthusiasm among the young for being too old?

Yes there is a generational change going on, yes Democrats need to ride on that wave, NO it's not a time for facile identity politics or tokenism.

You're gonna build up the sordid hustlers of End Citizens United / Mothership Strategies and blacklist the talent gathered around Alexandria Ocasio's campaign? You tell us that one young operative equals another, just like the Hollywood moguls of the 60s and 70s generation tried to convince us that the Monkees equaled the Beatles and that The Mod Squad were real hippies? You insult the intelligence of Democrats of all ages and descriptions.

The Post may run unpaid op-eds from some folks who get it, but they put their money on "analysis" by those who don't.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-2020-electoral-map-could-be-the-smallest-in-years-heres-why/ar-AAGCBoX?ocid=sf
The 2020 electoral map could be the smallest in years. Here’s why.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 12:20 am
@oralloy,
Ollie, you don't realize just how transparent you are.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 12:40 am
@hightor,
My point was that laying out just one possible scenario is pretty useless, as far as these things go. It's usually more interesting to compare different possible scenarios.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:12 am
@Olivier5,
The Guardian: Socialism used to be a dirty word. Is America now ready to embrace the ideology?V
Quote:
oters’ feelings on socialism have shifted with half of those under 40 saying they would prefer to live in a socialist country
[...]
Polls vary on how Americans feel about socialism now. In May, Gallup found that 43% thought some form of socialism would be good for the country, putting socialism at a statistical tie with Trump, who’s approval ratings were 42%. The term was particularly popular among the non-white and the young. A Harris poll released a couple of weeks earlier found that only 24% said they would vote for a socialist. An NBC poll indicated “socialist” was the least attractive trait voters were looking for in a president, significantly lagging “someone over the age of 75” and “a Muslim”. A Harris poll from March suggests half of those under the age of 40 would “prefer to live in a socialist country”. Three-quarters of Democrats believe the country would be “better off” if it were more socialist.

But quite what people mean by “socialist” is an open question.

“The way I translated it to people was: you shouldn’t have to choose between paying for prescription and paying for groceries,” explains Sarah Innamorata, the socialist Pennsylvania state representative I met in Pittsburgh, who defeated a five-term incumbent who had been elected unopposed the last three times. “If you work for 40 hours a week you deserve to be able to support yourself and your family. And when you go outside you should be able to breathe clean air and turn on the faucets and get clean water. And really none of that is going to change unless we change who represents us and we change the way our government works.”

To some extent, the views on socialism say as much about how people are feeling about capitalism. This is not a new trend. When President Barack Obama was planning his run for a second term his pollsters noticed that the time-honored rhetorical appeals to a life of relentless progress and upward mobility weren’t really working.

“The language around the American dream wasn’t carrying the same resonance,” Joel Benenson, one of Obama’s key pollsters, told the Washington Post. “Some of the symbols of achieving the American dream were becoming burdens: owning that house with the big mortgage was expensive, owning two cars and more debts, having your kid go to college. The cost and burden of taking out those loans was making a lot of Americans ambivalent. They weren’t sure a college education was worth it.”
[...]
According to Gallup, Americans are more likely to associate socialism with “equality” than “government ownership or control”, as they did in the 40s. “I don’t think it’s about class antagonism,” explains Jesse Sharkey, the leader of the Chicago Teachers’ Union. “It’s about humane capitalism – having social control over the harshest features of capitalism like healthcare and pensions.”

The point is it’s a question that is now regularly put in polls and a label that is popularly claimed. It remains problematic for many.

But it’s no longer like saying **********.
... ... ...
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:52 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Ollie, you don't realize just how transparent you are.

You spewed falsehoods, and I corrected you.

If you don't like being corrected, stop saying stuff that isn't true.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 02:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Reminds me of 1981 and the election of François Mitterrand.

http://ambitioncarcassonne.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/logo-ps.jpg
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:26 am
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 10:00 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Reminds me of 1981 and the election of François Mitterrand.

BTW, if Sanders or Warren wins, they could draw some lessons from what Mitterrand did when the French elected him as their first socialist president, in 1981. His election ked to a lot of good, and an entire generation identifying as the "Mitterrand generation", but also to some mistakes. I am thinking in particular of the 15% per annum inflation that initially plagued his demand-side policies... He had to backtrac after two years on some of these demand-side policies because they were not sustainable, and this costed him much political support.

So if Sanders or Warren wins, somebody will have to keep an eye on the macroeconomics of injecting massive resources in the economy through student debt relief, raising the minimal wage, etc.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 10:12 am
@oralloy,
You can't point out one time I was ever wrong about anything I have ever said. Possibly one time I misspelled a word. But only once.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 10:14 am
@edgarblythe,
Rigged is when more democrats prefer a candidate over your preference. Right?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 10:23 am
@RABEL222,
Yes I can. You were recently wrong when you said that the NRA is a front for the gun industry:

http://able2know.org/topic/131081-304#post-6892047
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 11:07 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

You can't point out one time I was ever wrong about anything I have ever said. Possibly one time I misspelled a word. But only once.


If that is really your perception, then you live in a world of illusions
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 11:21 am
@Lash,
He made a choice on how he would spend his money. I very much doubt that purchasing an EpiPen would have left him destitute
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blatham
 
  0  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:09 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Quote:
RABEL222 wrote:
You can't point out one time I was ever wrong about anything I have ever said. Possibly one time I misspelled a word. But only once.


If that is really your perception, then you live in a world of illusions

george has a point, Rabel. That is not a claim I would ever make. I'm certain I would be very uncomfortable if I were to become aware of all the things I've written or said that are actually quite wrong. We all, if well intentioned, just do the best we can.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:12 pm
@blatham,
I believe he is using this characterization of infallibility in order to draw attention to its use by another member (who is invisible to you). No one should seriously make that claim.
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:13 pm
@blatham,
I could be wrong, but I think rabel was rifting off Oralloy and repeating what he says a lot.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:14 pm
@georgeob1,
George lieing through his azz again.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:16 pm
@blatham,
This post was for Ollie as anyone who was spending any time here would realize.
blatham
 
  0  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:24 pm
@RABEL222,
Sorry, rabel and others. I have the fellow on ignore so missed his post and thus missed your irony. Apologies. This does make much more sense.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 03:11 pm
@revelette1,
He was rafting off him.
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