If you think men should help decide if a woman gets an abortion, just shut up.

He's not the one who gets pregnant, carries, gives birth and ruins his body.

A man can rely on himself as much as he wants....while I rely on myself and understand getting pregnant only happens to me, and if I don't want to, it's ultimately up to me. I have no faith in anything except what I do, or what I personally observe a sexual partner doing. If I didn't see it, it didn't happen.

That’s called abstinence, much heralded and a complete fairy tale.

What's your beef with the pills?

Olivier5 wrote:

What's your beef with the pills?

My beef???

I wasn't the one who suggested that guys could get by fine on condoms and abstinence.

If condoms alone are enough, why is there any need for other birth control options?

If women don't want to have a child, they can keep their pants zipped up too. So there is no need for women to have access to abortions or birth control pills.

there is no need for women to have access to abortions and birth control pills.

oralloy wrote:

there is no need for women to have access to abortions and birth control pills.

this would be oralloy again suggesting birth control pills are not necessary

You were the person who suggested it.

You later amended your suggestion to also include having men take charge of women's use of birth control. Although you never explained how men were supposed to do that.

Well, there is a lie.

I would NEVER suggest that abstinence to be used as birth control. Not because it wouldn't reduce the chance of an unwanted pregnancy to zero but because I would NEVER promote abstinence among adults. It's unrealistic and IMO opinion unhealthy.

Why shouldn't women be allowed to be promiscuous? They're not hurting anyone.

This sounds very much like sour grapes from those who don't get any so they don't want anyone else to.

maporsche wrote:

Well, there is a lie.

Here is the post where you said it:
http://able2know.org/topic/468371-1#post-6678471

maporsche wrote:

I would NEVER suggest that abstinence to be used as birth control. Not because it wouldn't reduce the chance of an unwanted pregnancy to zero but because I would NEVER promote abstinence among adults. It's unrealistic and IMO opinion unhealthy.

True. You talked about condoms instead.

Boo-hoo . . . actions have consequences. What a whiny response. Any man who doesn't want to face those consequences can keep it in his pants, or take responsibility for birth control.

I'm curious. How does a man take responsibility for birth control?

I'm not exactly sure how the man assumes responsibility for birth control in this equation.

So your statement that I "suggested that guys could get by fine on condoms and abstinence." IS FALSE.

Also, you seem to take my comment that men could use condoms as a form of birth control and used that to state "So there is no need for women to have access to abortions and birth control pills."

I refuted that later on, stating that women would still want to manage their own birth control needs both because it's more effective than condom use alone and because of the trust issues that chai2 mentioned.

I'm not sure what you're doing here, but you come off looking pretty bad.

Then I mentioned that men can used condoms if they don't want the girl to get pregnant.

They should be aware that condoms are only 85% effective (97% if used correctly) though, which is why doctors and health professionals recommend women to also be on the pill for family planning purposes.