@coldjoint,
Quote:Izzy supports the Nazis that run the UK and western Europe.
Then you are kindred spirits. You support the Nazis that run the USA and they are much worse than the Nazis that run the UK as it is just a US poodle.
@camlok,
Your statement is absurd on its face.
If Nazi's ran the US, you would already be in prison.
@mysteryman841,
Quote:Your statement is absurd on its face.
If Nazi's ran the US, you would already be in prison.
Nazis, and Nazi sympathizers have always run the USA, mm. You can't have illegally invaded all the myriad times the US has, stolen so much wealth of others, committed genocides like the US has and not be labeled what we can all agree on has been labelled the epitome of evil - the Nazis.
You know that all the top US businesses loved the Nazis and that the Nazis were invited to the USA and gloriously feted.
But as the Nazis only had a very short run compared to the US's two plus centuries run, the time for a label change is well nigh due.
@glitterbag,
Quote:When did the American people decide that some peoples children are disposable or not worthwhile enough to protect?
That would have been way way back when Americans started their centuries long genocide against Native Americans. It continues to this day. Remember the US genocide, planned and carried out against the children and the people of Iraq.
Why are you doing this lame song and dance routine of pretending to care?
@camlok,
Quote:US genocide, planned and carried out against the children and the people of Iraq.
You obviously weren't there, so I will forgive you for being ignorant on the subject.
There was no planned genocide in Iraq, period!!!
@mysteryman841,
Your timing is off as are your sources.
You are discussing the illegal invasion of Iraq, the ultimate war crime, for which Bush, Cheney et al should have been hung.
@camlok,
My source???
I WAS THERE!!!
Is that a good enough source for you?
@mysteryman841,
Quote:My source???
I WAS THERE!!!
Is that a good enough source for you?
Obviously not. I have seen you and your sources in other posts and frankly, mm, they truly suck.
Are you bragging that you participated in the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation all based on the usual, normal, always USA pack of lies?
You are out by about 8 years but as I have mentioned, you seem to thrive on being perpetually uninformed. That was Genocide Numero Deux.
West Hollywood Passes Resolution To Remove Trump’s Star From Walk Of Fame
Mac Slavo August 7th, 2018
The neighborhood’s City Council passed the resolution, citing Trump’s “attacks” on “minorities, immigrants” and other groups, West Hollywood Mayor John Duran said a statement to NBC News. “The West Hollywood City Council did not pass the resolution because Donald Trump is a conservative or a Republican. Earning a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is an honor. When one belittles and attacks minorities, immigrants, Muslims, people with disabilities or women — the honor no longer exists,” Duran said in an email.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/west-hollywood-passes-resolution-to-remove-trumps-star-from-walk-of-fame_08072018
Trump voters say they get no respect (gee, I wonder why)
ByDick PolmanMay 15, 2018
An audience member holds a fake news sign during a President Donald Trump campaign rally in Washington Township, Mich., Saturday, April 28, 2018. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)
Much time and effort is being devoted to “understanding” the typical Trump voter, so that we may better “understand” why a suckered minority of Americans has saddled us with a suspected criminal regime.
Reporters and authors and pollsters and academics are journeying to their communities, divining their purported wisdom, trying to “understand” why they’re doubling down on their love for a demagogue. Surely there must be a rational explanation for why – get this – support for Trump in recent weeks has actually upticked.
Well, here’s an explanation: Trump voters are a lot like the late comic Rodney Dangerfield, who famously said, “I get no respect.”
Stanley Greenberg, a Democratic pollster who specializes in taking the pulse of Macomb County, Michigan, has returned from that pivotal working-class enclave (it swung for Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump), and released a report on his findings. Here’s one of his key lines:
“Trump voters complain that there is no respect for President Trump or for people like them who voted for him.”
The same complaint is voiced by Trump voters in a new book. Republican operative Brad Todd and conservative columnist Salena Zito have teamed up to write a book, “The Great Revolt,” and they got a quote from a Macomb County citizen who feels “ridiculed” for backing Trump. In her words, “There is no respect for anyone who is just average and trying to do the right things.”
It is indeed a worthwhile effort to “understand” the sentiments of our fellow citizens. Nevertheless, I’ll try to say this as charitably as possible: If you want respect, you first have to earn it.
And you certainly don’t earn it by spewing nonsense. Maybe it’s just me, but I have a hard time respecting people who have no idea what they’re talking about. For instance, a Trump voter told Greenberg: “When Trump got elected, over 180 companies actually came back to America.” There is actually zero evidence that any such thing occurred. I found a ’17 story which said that “at least 180 companies” wanted to bid for contracts on Trump’s fantasy border wall, and I found an ’18 story which said that “roughly 180 companies” are saving piles of money thanks to Trump’s plutocratic tax cut bill, but I found nothing that confirms the Trump voter’s magic thinking.
Apparently the Trump voters in Macomb County are taking heat from young people in their own families. One woman told Greenberg: “A lot of the young kids – I call them young, they’re in their 20s, you know, late 20s – I see them as Democrats, they don’t support the President on (bringing change), so they’re latching on to everything in the fake news, about what he’s done, what he’s said, you know? What he’s ruined, you know?”
“Everything in the fake news”…And she wonders why she gets no respect. If she truly wants to earn it, she should refrain from parroting Trump’s demagogic mantra about the free and independent press; to earn respect, she should demonstrate to the “young kids” that she has the capacity to parse empirical facts and separate what is true from what is fake.
Greenberg also offered this summary: “Trump voters believe that he is ‘a good businessman’ who is ‘making the economy good’ and ‘bring(ing) jobs back to states.’…They applaud him for being ‘patriotic’ and say he cares ‘about making America great again.'”
But if they truly want to earn respect, they can’t simply parrot the slogan on a MAGA cap. And they won’t earn respect by hailing Trump as a “good businessman,” a descriptive that’s empirically contradicted by his multiple bankruptcies and the longstanding refusal of American banks to loan him money. (Even now, these Trump voters are either clueless about those facts, or choose to simply ignore them.) And they won’t earn respect by hailing Trump as a job-creating genius (factually, job creation was higher in Obama’s last full year – 2.24 million added – than in Trump’s first full year – 2.06 million added).
And this general complaint from an “older white working class woman” does not warrant respect. She told Greenberg that many years ago “there was so much respect for the president. And I don’t care what he did, or what he said, there was always respect. It was always ‘Mr. President.’ And now, (the lack of respect) disgusts me.”
I’m sorry, ma’am, but it’s hard to respect someone who somehow believes that Trump is a normal variation of a typical president. Especially when it has been copiously documented that this particular guy has lied, misled, and deceived more than 3000 times in just 15 months. Which in itself is one big reason why the majority of Americans give Trump scant respect.
Actually, it’s not that hard to “understand” Trump voters, for reasons they’re reluctant to say out loud; as one new study concludes, “traditionally high-status Americans, namely whites, feel their status in America and the world is threatened by America’s growing racial diversity.” I’d have more respect for them if they made an effort to embrace that diversity, rather than fear it. I’d have more respect for them if they made an effort to understand us, the American majority.
But since they won’t, alas there is only one solution. Starting in November, they need to be out-voted.
@katsung47,
But the city council has no say in the matter.
Its up to the chamber of commerce to decide.
The city council vote is meaningless posturing.
Why don't left-wingers respect the opinions of Trump supporters? What people don't seem to realize is that for a healthy democracy to function, different opinions need to be in play.
Tim Burke, Electrical Engineer
Updated May 25, 2018 · Author has 785 answers and 276.4k answer views
For democracy to function, the citizenry must be informed. As in aware of what is happening, and the actual facts. For when one makes decisions based on false or inaccurate information, those decisions are bad.
The problem with practically all Trump supporters is that their opinions are based on things that are objectively false. For example that manufacturing is down in the US. It isn't, and the actual data shows this quite clearly.
Trump also constantly tells lies. He also has a long documented record of abusing his power, failing at business, assaulting women, behaving without dignity and integrity, and using the legal system to avoid keeping his word. And yet, Trump supporters overlook all his flaws and voted for him anyway.
My mother taught me something long ago that many Trump supporters clearly never learned. Respect is something that you earn based on your words and behavior. You are not entitled to respect, you must earn it through your words and action.
No one is obligated to take your opinions seriously, or to treat all opinions equally. Opinions can be offensive, reprehensible, and sickening, and you can't really expect people to treat all opinions as equal. For example, some people think Jews are evil, the Aryan race is the master race, and this master race should rule the world. Is this just a difference of opinion that we should simple respect because it exists? I would argue no.
If you want to earn respect for your opinions, you should:
Make sure you have researched the facts relating to your opinions, using reputable sources. Be able to provide evidence that supports your opinion.
Consider the practical implications of what you are advocating for. Border walls are a waste of money when most illegal immigration is in the form of people overstaying their visas.
Start calling out your brethren who treat unsubstantiated rumors as fact. Start caring about what the facts are, and make sure you research something BEFORE you form an opinion.
Start holding your elected officials to the standards you claim to espouse. No putting the country massively in debt when you just spent 8 years complaining about the federal debt. Stop being hypocrites.
Stop denigrating professional experts who spent their lives studying a topic. Start respecting that people can be much more knowledgeable on a topic than you are, and take the time to listen first.
I have little faith that you or any of the other Trump supporters can show the kind of character and integrity required to earn my respect.
Pew Research Center U.S. Politics & Policy
JUNE 20, 2018
VOTERS MORE FOCUSED ON CONTROL OF CONGRESS – AND THE PRESIDENT – THAN IN PAST MIDTERMS
1. Views of Donald Trump
The public’s views of Donald Trump across a number of dimensions – including his respect for democratic institutions, trust in what he says and whether he keeps his business interests separate from the decisions he makes as president – tend to have a fairly similar pattern.
On most measures (including his overall job rating), roughly 40% express positive views of Trump, while the rest of the public expresses negative or (depending on the question) neutral evaluations. And all attitudes about the president are deeply divided along partisan and ideological lines.
As has been the case since late in the 2016 presidential campaign, a majority (currently 60%) says that Trump has not too much (24%) or no respect at all (36%) for the nation’s democratic institutions and traditions. About four-in-ten (38%) say he has a great deal (18%) or a fair amount (20%) of respect for U.S. democratic institutions.
Majority of Americans say Trump has not too much or no respect at all for the nation’s democratic institutions and traditions
Both parties divided ideologically in views of Trump’s respect for democracyA sizable majority of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (70%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for democratic institutions and traditions, though fewer than half (38%) say he has a great deal of respect for these institutions. By comparison, just 13% of Democrats and Democratic leaners say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for the country’s institutions and traditions. Nearly nine-in-ten Democrats (87%) say he has little or no respect for democratic institutions and traditions – with 59% saying he has no respect at all for them.
The share of Republicans who say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for democratic institutions is 7 percentage points lower today (70%) than in March of this year or February 2017 (77% on both occasions).
Both parties are divided ideologically in views of Trump’s respect for democratic institutions: 47% of conservative Republicans say Trump has a “great deal” of respect for them, nearly double the share of moderate and liberal Republicans (24%). And liberal Democrats (70%) are 20 points more likely than conservative and moderate Democrats (50%) to say Trump has no respect at all for the nation’s democratic institutions and traditions.
Majority says they trust what Trump says less than previous presidents There also are sharp partisan differences when people are asked to compare their level of trust in what Trump says to what previous presidents said when they were in office.
Overall, about half of Americans (54%) say they trust what Trump says less than they trusted what previous presidents said while in office, a quarter say they trust what he says more, and 19% trust what he says about the same as they trusted what other presidents said.
These views have not changed a great deal since April of last year, though the share saying they trust what Trump says more than previous presidents has slipped from 30% to 25%, largely because of a decline among Republicans.
Today, 52% of Republicans say they trust what Trump says more than what previous presidents said, down from 66% last year. Democrats continue to overwhelmingly say they trust what Trump says less than past presidents.
Few are very confident Trump keeps business interests separate
Most have little or no confidence Trump keeps his business interests separateAbout four-in-ten Americans (41%) say they are very (23%) or somewhat (18%) confident that Trump keeps his own business interests separate from the decisions he makes as president, while 56% are not too (15%) or not at all (42%) confident that Trump does this.
Roughly three-quarters of Republicans and Republican leaners (77%) express confidence in the president to keep his business interests separate from presidential decisions. Still, a wider majority of conservative Republicans (84%) say this than moderate and liberal Republicans (65%).
Fully 85% of Democrats and Democratic leaners say they are not too or not at all confident in Trump to do this, including 68% who say they are not confident at all.
Liberal Democrats are especially likely to say they have no confidence at all in Trump to keep his business interests separate: 77% say this, compared with 62% of conservative and moderate Democrats.
Republican views of Trump’s impact on the GOP
Few Republicans say Trump has changed GOP for the worseAbout as many Republicans and Republican leaners say Trump has changed the Republican Party for the better (46%) as say he hasn’t changed the GOP much (40%); just 10% think he has changed the party for the worse. These views are little changed from a year ago.
About half of conservative Republicans and leaners (52%) say Trump has changed the GOP for the better, 36% think he hasn’t changed the party much, and just 9% say he has changed the GOP for the worse.
Among moderate and liberal Republicans, a smaller share (34%) say Trump has changed the party for the better, while 49% say he hasn’t changed the party much (only 11% say he has changed the party for the worse).
Those who identify as Republican are more likely to view Trump’s impact on the party positively (53%) than to say he hasn’t changed the party much (34%). By contrast, the balance of opinion is reversed among independents who lean toward the Republican Party: 51% say he hasn’t changed the party much, while a third say he has changed the GOP for the better. Only about one-in-ten in either group say he has changed the party for the worse.
Widely varying views of Trump’s respect for different societal groups
Most Americans say Trump respects white people and men; far fewer say he respects women and minoritiesThe public gives sharply divergent assessments of Trump’s level of respect for differing gender, racial and ethnic, religious and other groups in society.
Majorities say Trump has a great deal or a fair amount of respect for men, white people, evangelical Christians and veterans.
Americans are less positive in evaluations of the level of respect Trump has for women, black people, Hispanic people, Muslims and immigrants. For each, more say he has little or no respect than say he has a great deal or fair amount of respect.
Moreover, nearly half say Trump has no respect “at all” for Muslims (47%) and immigrants (48%).
Overall, 46% say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for “people like you.” Somewhat more (52%) say he has not too much or no respect at all for people like them.
And two-thirds of the public (67%) says that Trump has little or no respect for people who voted for Hillary Clinton – with 47% saying he has no respect at all for Clinton supporters.
Sizable partisan gaps in views of Trump’s respect for nearly all groups
Wide partisan divides on whether Trump respects most groups, ‘people like you’There are large partisan divides in views of Trump’s respect for most demographic and other societal groups. Across the 11 groups asked about in the survey, large majorities of Republicans and Republican leaners say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for nine.
About half of Republicans (53%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for Muslims, while 45% say the same about his respect for people who voted for Clinton.
Democrats, by contrast, have overwhelming negative assessments of Trump’s respect for nine of the 11 groups. Just 8% say he has a great deal or a fair amount of respect for immigrants; 91% say he has not too much (16%) or no respect at all (75%) for immigrants.
Similarly, just 5% of Democrats say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for Muslims. About nine-in-ten (92%) say he has little or no respect for Muslims, including 71% who say he has no respect at all for them.
However, there are two groups – white people and men – that majorities in both parties say that Trump respects. About nine-in-ten Republicans (92%) say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for white people, as do 77% of Democrats. And majorities of Republicans (92%) and Democrats (68%) say Trump respects men.
Gender differences in views of Trump’s respect for men and women
Wide gender gap among younger people in views of Trump’s respect for womenMen and women generally think that Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for men. But they differ on how much respect he has for women.
Nearly half of men (47%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for women, compared with 39% of women.
Gender differences in these views are much wider among younger adults than older people. Among those younger than 50, nearly half of men (48%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for women, compared with 30% of women.
There are no significant differences in opinion among adults 50 and older: Roughly half of women (49%) and men (46%) say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for women.
Majorities of Republican men and women say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for women, though Republican men (83%) are more likely to say this than women (73%). Small shares of both Democratic men (14%) and women (16%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for women.
Views of Trump’s respect for white, black and Hispanic people
Few blacks and Hispanics say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for people of their race, ethnicity. In assessments of Trump’s respect for racial groups, there are wide differences by race and ethnicity.
Sizable majorities of whites (84%), blacks (77%) and Hispanics (78%) say that Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for white people.
By contrast, there are wider gaps in views of Trump’s respect for black and Hispanic people.
Among whites, 54% think Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for black people; fewer Hispanics (32%) say the same. Just two-in-ten blacks think Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for black people.
Similarly, about half of whites (48%) think Trump has respect for Hispanic people, compared with much smaller shares of blacks (21%) and Hispanics (20%).
Views of Trump’s respect for ‘people like you’
About half say Trump has little or no respect for people like themNearly half of Americans (46%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for people like them, while 52% think he has little or no respect.
These views, like opinions about Trump’s respect for various groups, differ widely by race, gender, age and partisanship.
A large majority of Republicans (82%) say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for people like them. Among demographic groups, more than half of whites (55%) and men younger than 50 (54%) say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for people like them.
By contrast, just 18% of Democrats, 18% of blacks, 31% of Hispanics and 40% of women say he has a great deal or fair amount of respect for people like them.
Younger women, in particular, have a negative view of Trump’s respect for people like them: Just 35% say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for people like them – nearly 20 percentage points lower than 18- to 49-year-old men (54%). There are no significant differences in opinions among older men and women.
Among religious groups, 74% of white evangelical Protestants say Trump has a great deal or fair amount of respect for people like them, as do 54% of white mainline Protestants. Fewer than half of Catholics (44%) say Trump has at least a fair amount of respect for people like them; just 34% of those with no religious affiliation and 18% of black Protestants say the same.
Trump job approval little changed
Race, gender, age and education differences in Trump job approvalTrump’s overall job approval has changed little over the course of this year. Currently, 40% approve of his job performance, while 54% disapprove. His approval rating was 39% in May, 39% in March and 37% in January.
The wide demographic differences in opinions about Trump – that have been evident since even before he took office – persist. While men are divided over Trump’s job performance (46% approve, 48% disapprove), women are far more likely to disapprove (60%) than approve (34%).
And Trump’s job approval is 12 percentage points lower among women younger than 50 (28%) than women 50 and older (40%). There is no gap in the views of younger and older men: 46% of both groups approve of the job he is doing.
Trump retains overwhelming support from Republicans and Republican leaners (79% approve), especially conservative Republicans (84%). Among Democrats and Democratic leaners, 86% disapprove of Trump’s job performance, including 93% of liberal Democrats.
@katsung47,
Quote:Do you have respect for a moron?
Everybody knows Trump is a moron, even people in his own W.H. administration. The Question is, how a moron could win a president election with the help of a strong hostile spy net - G.R.U.?
@coldjoint,
Quote:The Question is, how a moron could win a president election
Quote:why after close to two years you won't shut up about it?
Why after so many years won't y'all shut up about Clinton, Clinton, Obama, ... ?
Trump supporters sure are dumb and really hypocritical, aren't they, coldjoint?
