Trump's supporters want respect

That's classy, Cj. Having no knowledge of the auto industry, you resort to to name calling and bait and switch.

I do not care about the auto industry. And "idiot" was not meant for you. It includes every other climate nut and socialist. I have never claimed being classy, keep that in mind.

The transportation industry is the backbone our our country. To say you don't care means you don't care about infrastructure. How can you talk out of both sides of your mouth?

No it doesn't. And my posts are quite clear.

Give it a rest, Cj.

The only thing you've shown during this interchange is you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

The things I mentioned I know a lot about. My point was there are many more important things.

Trump preserved the auto industry in North America. That is a separate issue from the industry's switch from one type of vehicle to another.

If you want to see a disaster of a rescue, look at the way Obama killed Pontiac. The world doesn't have Trans Ams anymore because of Barack Obama.

The changes are not supposed to exist in a vacuum. The 75% requirement will have substantial impact when it is pared with a 25% tariff on cars that do not meet the standards.

Trump's protections for our auto industry will be long lasting. Canada and Mexico should join with Trump in imposing a 25% tariff on cars that are not made mostly in North America.

If so, that is a completely separate issue. Trump's protections for our auto industry do not have anything to do with the question of what sort of fuel is used to power our autos.

It's not a separate issue. Absolutely it does make a difference when companies are forced into two different emissions control features. Again, Trump didn't protect anything. He prolonged the inevitable where reliance on fossil fuels is quickly becoming un-sustainable.

None of them do. Oralloy's definition of a fact is anything that confirms his own prejudices.

I try not to engage with either of them because it only gives the impression they've got something worthwhile to say. They haven't, and you're not going to change the minds of such ingrained bigots.

No. That's just a slogan. People interested in informing themselves might be interested in this article (and what was so special about the Trans Am, anyway?):

GM Knew Pontiac Was On The Ropes Before The Feds Ordered It Killed

I have to laugh — I've seen this topic but I haven't followed it because the premise is so stupid to begin with. People don't automatically deserve "respect" because they support some political figure. And when the politician is as divisive and incompetent as Trump the idea that glomming onto this 2nd rate reality TV clown somehow merits "respect" is pathetic. Especially when this sort of mentality is displayed:



MAGA!

You like Muslims, they are ingrained bigots. They are taught that they are superior, I believe they are superior to people like you for many reasons. One being the honesty of their hate. Your hate comes from your own cowardice.

The person who started this thread is our resident Russian troll. They show up every two weeks like clockwork and post something to a series of threads they have to try to stir up arguments. They started with threads on Georgia and Ukraine, but have been focused on pro and anti Trump threads since the election.

Protecting the auto industry does not have anything to do with the question of what fuel autos use.

Tariffs on foreign autos have nothing to do with emission controls.

A 25% tariff on autos made outside North America will protect the auto industry.

If so, that is unrelated to his protections for the auto industry.

Your inability to point out anything that I am wrong about speaks for itself.

No. That Obama killed Pontiac is a fact.

That shows that Pontiac needed saving. Instead of saving it, Obama killed it.

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That point where you realize that if Obama had dropped a nuclear bomb on Chicago, hightor would be saying "and what was so special about Chicago anyway?"

The Trans Am was an iconic American sports car that kept the muscle car flame burning for years after all other manufacturers threw in the towel.

Pontiac was also the manufacturer that invented the muscle car when they came out with the GTO.

BS, GM announced the demise of the entire Pontiac Division on Dec 2 2008 * almost 2 months before OBAMA took pffice)

ALSO GM decided to stop the OLDSMOBILE division in 2001,they tried getting into the growing SUV market and the only ones that sold were the last models in 2004 when the last ones came off the line in the GM Delaware plant

It was all due to markt forces and choices people made . There were so many attempts at decent Pontiac designs, some worked , some were real doggies .
remember the Sunbird and the Saturn?. They built an entire plant for Saturns in Tennessee. Nobody wanted em. Mt company did all the foundation design for the high impact monocoque body presses. It took us longer to design/build than they used em.

False.

Trump assails GM over plans to idle U.S. facilities, threatens to cut subsidies

Emily McCormick Reporter
Yahoo FinanceNovember 27, 2018

President Donald Trump railed against General Motors (GM) over the company’s plans to cut production at some U.S. facilities and threatened to slash subsidies including the federal tax credit for GM’s electric vehicles.

“Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland,” Trump said in a Twitter post. “Nothing being closed in Mexico & China. The U.S. saved General Motors, and this is the THANKS we get!”

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Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland. Nothing being closed in Mexico & China. The U.S. saved General Motors, and this is the THANKS we get! We are now looking at cutting all @GM subsidies, including....
....for electric cars. General Motors made a big China bet years ago when they built plants there (and in Mexico) - don’t think that bet is going to pay off. I am here to protect America’s Workers!

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2:05 PM - Nov 27, 2018

General Motors on Monday announced plans to cut back production in several of its North American plants in states including Ohio, Michigan and Maryland. GM also said it plans to reduce its salaried workforce by 15%, including one-quarter of company executives. The Detroit, Michigan-based automaker expects that the massive restructuring will save up to $6 billion a year by the end of 2020.

As part of the restructuring plan, General Motors also said it will be doubling resources allocated to electric and autonomous vehicle programs in the next two years.

Trump said he is “looking at cutting all GM subsidies” following the announcements. Currently, consumers can take advantage of a $7,500 federal tax credit if they purchase an all-electric vehicle, which includes GM vehicles including the Chevrolet Bolt and Chevrolet Volt. The federal tax credits begin to phase out after a manufacturer sells 200,000 electric cars, a limit which GM and other automakers have been lobbying Congress to lift.

Trump’s latest comments follow a slew of public criticisms directed toward General Motors and its CEO Mary Barra. Trump, who made boosting American manufacturing a focal point of his 2016 presidential campaign, has previously attacked a variety of U.S. companies for shuttering or moving domestic production.

Shares of General Motors extended declines following Trump’s Twitter posts. The stock fell 2.55% to $36.69 each as of market close Tuesday.