@oralloy,
Trump admitted to doing the things the law prohibits-and he also made especially clear to the audience that Comey was fired because he wouldn't back off the Russia investigation.
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:Trump admitted to doing the things the law prohibits
I am skeptical of this claim. I suspect that you are mistaken.
Blickers wrote:he also made especially clear to the audience that Comey was fired because he wouldn't back off the Russia investigation.
It is proper that rogue agents be fired for pursuing unauthorized investigations.
@oralloy,
Ok, you don't think it's a big deal for the Russians to poison British citizens, it's ok with you that Trump is stealing vast amounts of money from tax payers, and you think Trump obstructing an investigation about the Russian interference is less a threat to the nation than a BJ in the oval office.
Maybe you don't have to pay taxes, you could be someones dependent.............and if you are in a special category that makes the rest of who pay taxes responsible for you. You're welcome
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:Ok, you don't think it's a big deal for the Russians to poison British citizens,
I don't recall saying that. However, if they want us to care about them, they really should be a bit nicer to us.
glitterbag wrote:it's ok with you that Trump is stealing vast amounts of money from tax payers,
Trump isn't stealing anything from anyone.
glitterbag wrote:and you think Trump obstructing an investigation about the Russian interference is less a threat to the nation than a BJ in the oval office.
This witch hunt has nothing whatsoever to do with Russian interference. The Democrats are just trying to hurt Trump for opposing their demented America-hating agenda.
glitterbag wrote:Maybe you don't have to pay taxes, you could be someones dependent.............and if you are in a special category that makes the rest of who pay taxes responsible for you. You're welcome
Maybe I'm a billionaire and
my taxes support
you.
@glitterbag,
Maybe. Maybe not.
What business is it of yours how wealthy I am?
@Lash,
What you said, and are saying is contradictory and confused.
The truly wealthy earn their money from capital gains, which is taxed at a rate of 15%, about what a working class citizen pays in income tax, in fact, probably less. Furthermore, police and fire protection benefit the wealthy more than ordinary citizens, because they reduce insurance costs, which benefits business a great deal more than it benefits home owners. A good deal of money goes into infrastructure, which once again benefits businesses more than it does private citizens except for those who make their money from capital gains. Highway infrastructure benefits businesses far more than commuters and vacationers, because over-the-road transports now carry more goods than do the railroads. That is paid for by fuel excise taxes, and that is one of the most regressive taxes. Wealthy people pay a minuscule proportion of their annual income for fuel, while it can be a significant proportion of the budget of a working class man or woman. It is not just a fiction that the wealthy pay for the cost of government operation at all levels, it is really a scurrilous lie.
@georgeob1,
Quote: Conversely noting the innocuous and mostly unrelated charges that have so far emerged is indeed based on verifiable facts.
those involved persons who were initially collateral to the entire stated purpose. If youve noticed no charges have been presented refarding the person of interest. These would be summary
@georgeob1,
Quote: Conversely noting the innocuous and mostly unrelated charges that have so far emerged is indeed based on verifiable facts.
those involved persons who were initially collateral to the entire stated purpose. If youve noticed no charges have been presented refarding the person of interest. These would be summary
@oralloy,
Quote Blickers:
Quote:he [Trump] also made especially clear to the audience that Comey was fired because he wouldn't back off the Russia investigation.
Quote oralloy:
Quote:It is proper that rogue agents be fired for pursuing unauthorized investigations.
Comey is not a rogue agent if he proceeds with an investigation which his superior illegally told him to stop. And the following Federal law makes it illegal for the President to tell Comey to stop:
Legally, Comey couldn't follow Trump's illegal order.
@Blickers,
That appears to be a law against government officials pressuring private businesses to hire people from their own political parties.
Such a law would not prevent Trump from deciding to close down an investigation.
@oralloy,
Trump influenced, or offered or threatened to influence, the official act of Comey, (the Russia investigation). And Comey got fired when he wouldn't yield to the attempted influence.
Trump violated 18 U.S. Code § 227. Punishable by up to 15 years in the hoosegow.
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:Trump influenced, or offered or threatened to influence, the official act of Comey, (the Russia investigation).
Bosses regularly do that when they give orders to subordinates.
Blickers wrote:And Comey got fired when he wouldn't yield to the attempted influence.
That regularly happens to subordinates who defy their boss.
Blickers wrote:Trump violated 18 U.S. Code § 227. Punishable by up to 15 years in the hoosegow.
That is a law against government officials pressuring private industry into hiring members of their political party.
There is no evidence that Trump has pressured any private corporations into hiring Republicans.
@oralloy,
Blickers wrote:
Quote:Trump influenced, or offered or threatened to influence, the official act of Comey, (the Russia investigation).
Quote oralloy:
Quote:Bosses regularly do that when they give orders to subordinates.
Blickers wrote:
Quote:And Comey got fired when he wouldn't yield to the attempted influence.
Quote oralloy:
Quote:That regularly happens to subordinates who defy their boss.
But-by stopping an investigation which clearly could lead to himself, the president profited from this action. That is obstruction of justice.
@Blickers,
Obstruction refers to interference with an investigation that the government is trying to pursue, not to a government decision to stop pursuing an investigation.
@oralloy,
If the individual in charge of the investigation orders it stopped because he believes the investigation might lead to him, it is Obstruction Of Justice.
@Blickers,
That is incorrect. Obstruction of justice refers to interference with an investigation that the government is trying to pursue, not to the government deciding to close down an investigation.
